i mean, he raised the question, what did she know about the president's performance? and i think those type of questions, she certainly created the permission structure for others to to ask. >> to ask. and now, i think, get out of the way early before they get into the true 2020 cycle, which, make no mistake, is very much a foot right now, even though we are only in 2025. anthony coley, it's a great piece. i thank you for coming on to talk with us about it, and if you haven't read it, you can i'll post it on my social media as well. and that was way too early for this wednesday morning. morning joe starts right now. >> he did. >> his. >> best to cancel me. instead, he forced millions. >> of people to watch the show that backfired bigly. he might have to release the epstein files to distract us from this. now, disney. >> has asked me to read. >> the following statement and i agreed to do it. here we go. to reactivate your disney plus and hulu account. we talked it

through. >> and at the. >> end, even though they didn't. have to, they really. didn't have to. this is a. >> giant company. >> we have short. attention spans. >> and i. >> am a tiny part of the. disney corporation. >> they welcomed me back on the air and i thank. >> them for that. look, i never imagined i would be in a situation like this. i barely paid attention in school. but one thing i did learn. >> from. >> from lenny bruce and george carlin and howard stern, is that a threat to silence a comedian. >> the president doesn't. >> like is anti-american. that's anti american. >> some of jimmy kimmel's monologue last night, returning to abc for the first. >> time since his show was pulled. >> off the. >> air last week. >> we'll have much more from last. >> night's highly. >> anticipated show. >> we'll also go. >> through a big day at the. >> united nations, with president trump. >> taking a notable. >> pivot on russia's. >> war in ukraine. >> that was notable. >> a big one. >> the washington.

>> post david. >> ignatius and the bbc's katty kay are standing by with their analysis on this big change. also ahead this morning, former secretary of state hillary clinton will be our guest, and we'll be joined by senate. >> minority leader. >> chuck schumer as the deadline to fund the government is now less than a week away. >> and of course, when. >> chuck schumer is here. >> willie, the first thing we're going to. >> be forced. >> to talk about is the new york yankees. >> oh, really? >> one game. >> out now. >> we don't have to. >> you're doing some good work up there in boston. doing god's helping yourself against the blue jays. yeah, and helping your brother's new york yankees. yankees now one game out of the division lead. isn't that something behind the blue jays? for all the hand-wringing, for all the fire, boone. the yankees are one game out of the best record in the american. and what what have i said all along? they're going to the world series. and what. >> are. >> they going to do there? it's swept by the dodgers. they're going to know they're going to win in five games. they're going. to win five games. look at that though. no it's. >> it's this. >> is so exciting. it's like one of these rare times where.

>> every game matters. >> and for. >> us we're actually looking at the tigers and cleveland. >> yeah the tigers. >> really i mean what they. >> lose a. >> 1516 game. >> i like. >> i've always liked detroit. i've i feel i feel so bad. >> for him. >> i have friends who are big. >> cleveland fans and. are just beyond themselves. >> this is. this is crazy. but this last week for for the wild. >> card, you know, you've got. >> you've. >> got the red sox fighting, you've got cleveland fighting, you got the tigers fighting, you got houston fighting. houston lost last night i mean it's it's crazy. it can go any way. >> yeah i. >> mean the tigers were dominant all season in that division. have lost seven in a row. and they are now the wild card team. the guardians own the tiebreaker. the guardians. now are in first place. just a stunning turn. but right here you see yankees in good shape. red sox, tigers, astros fighting for two spots. somebody's going to get left out. yeah, exactly. >> okay. >> very exciting. nick, would you like to talk any more about

baseball? i think you narrate these highlights. >> i don't know how you. >> know all this stuff. >> just. >> what what happens. >> to you? okay. >> moving on. jimmy kimmel live. >> outside of politics, i don't sit and watch tv. >> all day. >> go. >> oh. >> oh. >> i just. >> like i. >> could do that. okay. do you like me to? but i'm. >> well, no, i won't do that. >> a lot of people are watching tv late, late, late. >> last night. >> that's where we begin. >> our news. this morning. >> jimmy kimmel. >> live returned to late. night lineup last. >> night. >> nearly one week after abc. >> pulled. >> the show off the air amid controversy over kimmel's comments about the assassination of charlie kirk. in an emotional opening monologue, kimmel addressed the. remarks that led to his suspension while fiercely defending. >> free. >> speech, criticizing. >> the. >> trump administration over what he called. anti-american attacks on the first amendment. and thanking those who supported him. >> maybe most. >> of all. >> i want to thank the people who don't support. my show and

what i believe, but support my right to share those beliefs anyway. i never would have imagined. like ben shapiro, clay travis, candace. >> owens, mitch mcconnell. >> rand paul, even my old pal ted cruz, who, believe it or not. >> said something. >> very beautiful on my behalf. >> i hate. >> what jimmy kimmel said. i am thrilled that he was fired. >> oh, wait. >> no, not that. >> the other part. >> but let me. >> tell you. if the. >> government gets. >> in the business of saying. we don't like what you, the media have said, we're going to ban you from the airwaves if you don't say what we like, that will end up bad for conservatives. >> i don't think i've ever said this before, but ted cruz is right. he's absolutely right. >> it's a fixed. >> all of.

>> us. >> including him. >> i mean, think about it. if ted cruz can't speak freely, then he can't cast. >> spells on the. >> smurfs, even though i don't agree with many of those people on most subjects. >> some of the things they say even make. >> me want to throw up. it takes courage. >> for them to speak out. >> against this administration. and they did, and they deserve credit for it. >> and thanks. >> for telling your followers that our government cannot be allowed to control what we do. and do not. say on television, and that we have to stand up to it. i've been hearing a lot about what i. >> need to say. >> and do tonight, and. >> the. >> truth is. >> i. >> don't think. >> what. >> i. >> have to say. >> is going to make much of a difference. if you like me, you like me. if you don't, you don't. i have no illusions about changing anyone's mind, but i do want to make something clear, because it's important to me as a human. >> and that is. >> you understand that it was never my intention to make light of the murder. >> of a young man. >> i don't. i don't think

there's anything funny about it. >> i posted a message. >> on instagram on the day he's killed, sending love to his family and asking. >> for compassion. and i meant it. >> and i. >> still do. nor was it my intention to blame any specific group. >> for the actions. >> of what. >> it was. obviously a deeply. >> disturbed individual. >> that was really. >> the opposite of the point i was trying to make. >> but i understand that to some that felt either ill timed or unclear or maybe both. and for those who think i did. point a finger, i get why you're upset. >> if the. >> situation was reversed, there was a good. chance i'd have felt the. >> same way. i have many. >> friends and family members. >> on the. >> other side who i. >> love and remain. close to, even though we don't. agree on. politics at all. i don't think. >> the murderer who shot charlie kirk represents anyone. this was a sick person who believed violence. >> was a solution. and it isn't. this show is not important. what is important. >> is that. we get to live in a country that allows us to have.

>> a show. >> like this. >> i've had the opportunity. >> to meet and spend time with comedians and talk show hosts from countries like russia and countries in the middle east, who tell me they would get thrown. >> in. >> prison for making fun of those in power, and worse than being. >> thrown in prison. >> they know how lucky we are here. >> our freedom. >> to speak is what. >> they. >> admire most about this country. and that's something i'm embarrassed to say i took for granted until i pulled my friend steven off. the air and tried to coerce the affiliates who run our. show in the cities that you live. >> in to take my show. >> off the air. that's not legal. that's not american. >> that is un-american. the president of the united. >> states made it very clear he wants to see me. >> and the. >> hundreds of people who work here fired from our jobs. our leader celebrates. americans losing their livelihoods because he can't. >> take a joke.

>> he was. >> somehow able to squeeze colbert out of cbs. >> then he turned his sights on me. and now. >> he's. >> openly rooting for. >> nbc to. >> fire jimmy fallon and seth meyers and the hundreds. >> of. >> americans who. work for their shows, who don't make millions. >> of dollars. >> and i hope that if that happens, or if there's even any hint. >> of. >> that happening. >> you will. >> be ten times. >> as loud. >> as you were this week. >> we have to speak. >> out. >> against this. >> because there was a. >> moment over the. >> weekend, a very beautiful moment. i don't know if you. >> saw this on sunday. >> erica kirk forgave the man who shot her husband. she forgave him. that is an example. >> we should follow. >> yeah. >> if you believe in the teachings of jesus as. i do, there it was. that's that's it.

a selfless act of grace. forgiveness from. >> a grieving widow. it touched me. >> deeply. and. >> i hope it. >> it touches many. >> and if there's anything we should. >> take from this tragedy to carry forward, i hope it can be that and not this. >> that was. >> that was beautiful. >> and in, in. >> part. >> spiting in parts. >> it was it. >> was really. >> strong message. that guy used to. >> be the host of the man. >> show. >> by the way. >> yeah. >> i mean trampolines and pitchers of beer. yeah, exactly. >> that was a long time ago. >> but there. were a. >> couple things i. >> loved. >> about what. >> he said. one was, this is not an. important show. >> he said. >> it's not. >> about this show. >> what's important is that. shows like these can be on. >> the air. >> right?

>> and that's, you know. >> ten years, 20 years from now, somebody. else will be in that position, just. like we had carson and. >> we had letterman. >> but it's having those sort of shows that can mock politicians and, and, and people in power all the time. >> without the fear of. >> being taken. >> off the air. that was beautiful. i love. what he. >> said about erica kirk there. >> and i also. >> loved, really loved him talking about republicans. >> that he disagreed. >> with on. >> almost every issue and framed perfectly. and what this last week has shown is, and i. >> hope some other republicans. >> can start thinking this way. this is not. republican against democrat. in so many of these cases. it's not left wing against right wing. it's it's none of those things. this is big government. >> versus the people. >> this is. >> a. >> centralized state versus individual rights. and and there have been times and. >> we've. talked about it. >> over the. >> past decade where. >> the left has seemed to not care as much about that. there have been times that the right

has not seemed to care as much about that. but in this case, the left and the right came together. a lot of them did say, wait a second, we can object to this speech, but government stay, stay away. >> from what. >> we watch. >> it's none of your business. and especially if it's political speech. >> which is the. >> most sacred. >> protected speech in the first amendment. yeah. i mean, there's a lot to to digest there. and what jimmy kimmel said last night, which was said, very well, i agree with you. first of all, i think he was good to highlight erika kirk's message at the service the other day, which was of grace and mercy and forgiveness. i hope some others will adopt that because it was. in stark contrast to the message. a lot of other people on that stage delivered. unfortunately, another point to make, jimmy kimmel, whether you like him politically or you think he's funny or not, is objectively a good guy. and that comes from everybody who's worked with him,

everybody who knows him. >> from his. >> staff, the people around him. he, as he said last night, was not and. >> never would. >> mock the murder of charlie kirk or anyone. were his comments in poor taste? were they poorly timed? that's up to the audience. to decide. perhaps they were, as he even conceded last night. but i think his message and the larger message that many of us will take from this is these things we take for granted that comedians can mock people in power. in fact, why they exist is to mock people in power from those positions in late night tv or stand up stages we assumed would always be there until it was challenged. over these last several months with stephen colbert and has to be fought for. and i think jimmy was right to commend the. support of the people who love him, but also the people. like ted cruz who don't love him. and that was a very and i know it was a minority, and it was a small group of republicans. but ted cruz's voice was very important in this story. when

you're the when you're the most powerful person in the united states senate on this issue and the commerce department. yeah. commerce committee. yeah. you're that's an important voice. that's not a backbencher just trying to grab a headline. it it actually matters. and i look at you look at all of it. and you look at the fact. that what he does is what johnny carson did, what david letterman did, what stephen colbert's done, what jack paar did, what all of these late night comedians have done, what saturday night live has done, they have ridiculed unmercifully presidents in the past. i mean, bill clinton, i mean, my god, i mean. >> george w bush. >> david letterman. >> had a gag on. >> george w. >> bush. >> every single night. >> it was. >> but but again, the right for people to laugh at that. it seems to me extraordinarily important. >> yeah. >> and many. >> households across america

were unable to watch kimmel's return last night. nexstar and sinclair, two major tv station owners. >> who together account. >> for roughly 70 abc. affiliates in the us, continued to preempt the late night show despite disney bringing it back nationally. both groups are also pursuing major business moves. >> that would require. >> fcc approval. sinclair is exploring merger options, while nexstar is trying. >> to. >> to close a $6.2 billion merger with another big station owner, tegna. meanwhile, about an hour before last night's broadcast, president trump took to social media to rail against kimmel's return and issue a threat to abc. the president posted in part, quote, the white house. was told by abc that his show was canceled. jimmy kimmel is yet another arm of the dnc, and to the best of my knowledge, that would be a

major illegal campaign contribution. i think we're going to test abc out on this. let's see. >> how we do. >> last time i went after them they gave me $16 million. this one sounds even more lucrative. >> well you know the last time they gave $16 million, there were attorneys on both sides saying this could go either way. nobody would say that banning a late night host. >> or trying to. >> ban a late night host actually would, would, would again be a proper way. >> to. >> go forward. i just i just wonder how many, how many of these lawsuits that get thrown out is he going to do? at what point does he understand this? this only makes him look like a loser. >> his appetite. >> for these seem pretty endless right now. >> i mean, new york times thrown out. thrown out because of a stupid, stupid, i don't know, 8090 page, you know, pleading, calling, you.

>> know. >> donald trump. >> basically everything short of his majesty. i mean, how much longer, how much longer would the threats. yeah, the judge in that. >> case noted. >> that the. >> actual complaint didn't come till. >> page 80 of. >> that thing, and he threw. >> the whole. >> thing out. >> i said. >> it was nonsense and a waste of time. i mean, this, you would think would be true, but. >> i think. >> the underlying message here is, first of all, for. >> my reporting. >> no one at abc communicated the white house, the show was canceled, that that simply it was off the air indefinitely. that was the statement that abc put out publicly. you know, we don't know if there's a private conversation the president is alluding to, but certainly we. >> have not. >> uncovered that that was. >> but where. >> does this come from? >> he grew up. >> watching late night comedians make fun of richard nixon. he grew up watching late night comedians make fun of jimmy carter, make fun of ronald reagan, just unmercifully made fun of ronald reagan for eight years, made fun of george h.w. bush. i could go to bill clinton. >> my god. >> not i. >> mean, he. >> himself made fun of people. >> you know, that that's.

>> that that has happened. every year over the. past half century, of course. >> so. so why. >> does. >> he think that things changed. >> today for him? they don't know. >> they don't. >> david letterman gave. >> an interview. >> the other day in which he noted he went after everyofficee was in his job, republican or democrat. no one. once tried to stop him. they complained. of course, they publicly joked about it, but no one even lifted. >> a finger to try to stop him. >> but president trump. >> has shown time and time. again how. >> how thin. >> his. >> skin is. we know when he was a guest at. >> the correspondents. >> dinner 50. >> odd years back. >> that that was certainly he was at the butt of those jokes. >> didn't like it. >> this is the same tactic where he uses. >> where he complains about. >> fake news. >> if it's something. >> negative, he goes after it and suggests that the. person who wrote. >> it. >> report it said. it shouldn't have the right to do that. that is a threat to free speech that the the post last. >> night before. kimmel went on. >> air. >> willie is. >> could only be perceived as a threat to free speech. and

again him suggesting he's going to use the levers of government to go after his foes. we have seen that over the weekend, directing the attorney general to go after political foes, and in this case, it would sure seem to be the fcc or others. >> and the nonsensical claim about the dnc. >> to go after his foes in the media. >> and. >> suggesting in that post that kimmel is part of some democratic party conspiracy making a link again, we've talked about when the shoe is on the other foot. do you want these rules to apply when democrats are in power? should they go after fox news hosts that they believe are in concert with republicans? you can see where that would go. and to your point about thin skin, donald trump is aware of all those past comedians, but he wasn't the butt of those jokes. and now it's about him. and he doesn't like that. i'm remembering you mentioned george w bush, who every night, every night, late night comedians, cable news hosts, every single night. >> i gotta. >> say. >> two, two stand out. one. >> the door. >> the door in china. >> yeah. letterman. >> love that. >> yeah. >> and of course. >> the second one that he

always would. go back to is dribbling. >> the deflated basketball. >> but i'm. >> thinking every single night and never once in george. w bush. never once did george w. bush say they need. >> to be taken off the air. >> no. >> every night he was unmercifully ridiculed. every night. >> bill clinton, a. >> democrat. unmercifully ridiculed. >> never once. >> did ronald reagan. >> unmercifully ridiculed. >> never once. >> did these republicans. >> or democrats ever even. think of suggesting they. >> be taken. >> off the air. not one time to illustrate the contrast. i was doing an event a few years ago at the george w bush library at smu with lorne michaels. george w bush is in the front row of this event. they play a clip montage for about 15 minutes of will ferrell mocking george w bush. and i look over and president bush, not polite laughter, has his head thrown back in laughter, holding his gut because he thinks it's so funny. the contrast of that

with what we're seeing now. >> okay, we've got a lot. >> more to. >> get. >> to this morning. still ahead on morning joe, president trump blasts. >> the. >> united nations, accusing the organization of creating problems instead of solving them. david ignatius and katty kay, standing by with analysis of trump's address to the general assembly, plus former secretary of state hillary clinton, will be our guest as we mark 20 years of the clinton global initiative. we'll talk with her about the group's critical work, the second trump presidency, and much more. >> and i've. >> got. >> to say. >> also, the big news yesterday had to do with russia. i mean, there's massive news. we've got david ignatius and katty kay standing by. we're going to be talking about that issue as well because it's big. >> and a reminder. the morning joe podcast. >> is available. >> each weekday. >> featuring our full conversations and analysis. you can listen wherever. >> you. >> get your podcasts. you're watching. >> morning joe. >> we'll be right back.

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trying to exert maximum pressure on russia to get the kremlin to negotiate a ceasefire. the official did not outline any specific policy changes that may happen, but says the next steps depend on how russia responds. in another surprising statement, trump said european allies should shoot down russian drones. he also doubled down on his comments about ukraine's strength during meetings with zelensky and french president emmanuel macron at the united nations headquarters yesterday. >> mr. president, do you. think that. >> nato countries. >> should shoot down. russian aircraft. >> if they enter their airspace? >> yes i do. >> would you back them up? would the united. >> states help them out in. >> some way? >> depends on the circumstance. but, you know, we're very strong toward nato. you got to hand it to the ukrainian soldiers and everybody involved. it's still going on. and that's

that's not a good thing for russia. this was supposed to be quick. and so, you know, russia doesn't look very distinguished. having taken three and a half years. now it's about three and a half years of very hard fighting. and it looks like it's not going to end for a long time. so we'll see what happens. but the other side can fight too. and they've proven that maybe it's a it could be that russia is a paper tiger. i don't know what they are, but three and a half years of fighting and killing everybody, killing 7000 people a week for nothing, for nothing. so it's a very sad situation. but most of you have seen the recent statement i put out a little while ago, and i'm glad you got it, but i feel that way. i really do feel that way. let them get their land back. >> yeah. >> so we'll see how it all works out. >> you know, david, this is a complete about face. >> i will. >> say about three weeks ago, the. >> president also put. >> out.

>> on truth social. how do you. >> win. a war if all you. >> ever do is get attacked and you can't attack the other? well, we saw a couple. >> of weeks. >> later, president trump follow up saying to nato countries, if russia sends aircraft or drones over your over your land, shoot them down and then saying something else that again, just a complete turn. and yes, the new york post is praising this murdoch's new york post. obviously, the wall street journal has been pushing for this for a very long time. but to go from a position where you're saying because you think it'll end the war, hey, ukraine's going to have to give up land and they're going to have to. >> figure. >> out how to do it to now saying, hey, maybe they can get their land back. talk about that shift and talk about how significant that is, not just ukraine, but also to europe. >> so, joe, it is. >> it. >> is. a big shift.

>> russia has been moving. >> toward a confrontation with. >> europe whose. consequences could be unpredictable. they've been. violating the. airspace of. >> estonia. >> poland. even germany. and the moment was coming when those. >> countries would. >> shoot back. >> and we had. >> donald trump yesterday saying that. >> he thought it would. >> be. >> appropriate to. >> shoot back. >> if russia. continued to cross those borders, and that. >> the. >> united states might support it. >> in effect. >> the president. >> was. >> drawing a red line. >> something he. >> rarely does. and you have to take that seriously. >> my friends in. ukraine overnight. >> have been trying to understand just. >> exactly what the president's. >> statements yesterday mean. >> they're extremely. >> pleased with the language. but the to quote. >> one of them. >> we want. >> to know. >> how long this will last. they've seen a strong statements of support from trump before that didn't didn't last. >> and we want. >> to know exactly. >> what this. >> means in terms of.

>> will this mean. >> new missiles. will mean new. >> freedom to use. >> those missiles. >> but my take away from from what happened yesterday is. >> first. >> donald trump loves a winner. >> and what he's seeing in the toughness. >> of president. >> zelenskyy and the ukrainian people. >> i think is. impressed him. he said it pretty. >> pretty directly. >> these are brave people and they're fighting for their rights. >> second thing is donald trump's senses weakness. more than. >> any politician i can think of. >> and my sense is that he feels that russia is weakening. you know, he has the. best intelligence. >> in the world. >> and when he says, i think the russians are. having trouble with their. >> economy, i think. >> they're having trouble. >> with. >> their gasoline supply. >> i'm assuming he's. >> basing that. >> on real information. >> and the final. >> thing, joe, i would say, is that. >> trump's policy is needed. >> consistency and. >> organization from the beginning. >> you can't say one. thing one

day and a. >> week later it's. >> different and. expect to have a coherent policy. >> if he follows through on what he said. >> yesterday. >> this war is going to have. >> a different. trajectory and. >> one. that i. >> think europeans. >> will. >> celebrate, you know, with real passion. but but. president trump does need to organize. >> his administration. >> and. >> deliver on the things that he said pretty forcefully yesterday. >> you see what you can go back. to anchorage and you can move forward then to the white house meeting, and you can keep moving forward. and him talking about two weeks here, two weeks there, you know, we we used to all make fun of two weeks until he said 60 days for iran on. >> the 61st. >> day iran was bombed. so he said two weeks. that's dragged into more three four weeks. but at the same time, you've been writing about. this for months now. donald trump has grown weary of what he called and what saul and homeland called russia's. and he's he's he's in

this case, it's making him look weak and he doesn't appreciate it. and i think yesterday. well, david's right. and i saw you shaking your head. i think of. >> all the. >> things that donald trump understands is, again, weakness in opponents and the weakness of an economy. and what what did he lead with their economy is tanking. talk about that and talk about how, again, putin had a chance, trump gave him a chance to get a great deal. he keeps mocking trump, keeps mocking the presidency. and now donald trump is doing this homeland. >> great show. >> first of all. >> we missed. >> we missed home. >> we missed homeland. >> there's there's a lot of things at play here that's really interesting. first of all, to david's point, i am told. also speaking to white house officials last night, president in part motivated by the weakness and rapidly increasing weakness of the russian economy, he does see

that he also. continues to grow angry, humiliated even. about how president putin has treated him, that he thought he could get a deal early. we know, of course, that has not. >> can i. >> ask you this question? >> and maybe. >> you. >> know, why is it that even when donald trump was trying. >> to have closer. relations with russia. >> t would make fun of him and make fun of his family? why did they do that? i don't. >> know, i'm not as well in read in on. >> kremlin state propaganda. >> as i should be. but no, you're right. >> it makes no sense. it doesn't. he's reaching out. >> they're mocking him. they're mocking his family. >> yeah. >> my sense of it. i mean, my guess would be that they're just trying to establish putin's superiority in this conflict over western leaders. and that would include president trump, who for the most part, of course, has been very deferential. so there are a few other things we should note here. president trump, as we know, is often susceptible to the talking points of the last person he speaks to. this post came right after he talked to zelensky. he was also pulled aside by macron, by european

and ukrainian diplomats here in new york for the un, also back home. they're both thrilled by this statement, katty kay, but also sort. >> of puzzled. >> they didn't they're not sure they welcome it, but they're not sure what it will really mean, because we should also note that there is a path there has been for a while now, people in the white house, in the diplomatic community who think that at a certain point, trump is just going to wash his hands of this. and even in that truth social statement, there were some clues that he might where he says he wishes both countries well. and though he pledges to. >> keep selling. >> arms to nato, he's not saying that there will be any increased aid, nor is he saying that he'll help broker any kind of peace talks. >> yeah. >> i mean, if there. >> was a pan european word for whiplash, it would have been. used a. >> lot yesterday. >> because all these european leaders had to sit through an hour of being kind. of over an hour of being excoriated. by donald trump for. >> everything they believe. >> in and. >> all of their policies. >> and then he turns around and does this, and you could even see vladimir zelensky looking

at him. >> like. >> are you being serious? he didn't even really believe. >> it himself. >> i've reached. >> out to a couple of people here in washington, up in the senate who say that, who sound pretty skeptical, frankly, that this. >> this language. >> is going to be followed. up with what it would. >> take to give ukraine the means to. >> do what the. >> president is talking about. i mean, to give ukraine the means. >> to take back. >> their entire country. >> i don't know if he's thinking of. >> including crimea. >> in that, but at least take back what they've lost. >> in this war. >> would mean. a huge amount of assistance from the united states. >> a lot more in the way of. >> secondary sanctions. and at the moment. that sanctions. >> bill that has. broad bipartisan support. >> up in the senate. >> has still. >> not. >> been brought to the floor. so what does this. actually mean? i think we've seen so often, president trump say things. the key with trump is to watch what he does, not watch what he says. it's possible that he's planning to follow this up with giving.

>> ukraine the. >> means to actually. >> achieve these ends. >> but it's. >> going to take a lot. it's going to. >> take a lot of american. assistance and. >> a lot of. >> more of the secondary sanctions. >> so if you follow through. >> on that, then. >> i think he will deliver. >> but at the moment. >> this is. >> this is. >> rhetoric that. >> donald trump is putting out there. >> let's see where it goes. >> he was asked if. >> he trusts. >> vladimir putin anymore and he said, i'll let you know a month from now, coming on the heels of the two weeks, anything can happen in that month. president zelensky, as katty just said, was sort of stunned by this turnabout from president trump and was asked why he thought it happened. in an interview yesterday on fox news. >> i think we have better relation than before, and i think we we didn't have close relation because we didn't have maybe time. i don't know. i don't know other reasons. it's good that we have often phone calls and meetings. and i think the fact that putin was lying

to president trump so many times also made a difference between us. >> david, this development is made all the more stunning when you consider where the relationship with zelensky was in that oval office meeting back in february, when the president and vice president of the united states called in cameras and a friendly press corps to just attack president zelensky. now, a different tone is there hope? i know there's hope, but is there belief among our allies in nato and around the world that he means it this time, that he is standing behind ukraine? i'd say. >> there's hope. >> there's not yet confidence. that's the question that. >> i'm seeing. >> in my messages overnight. >> there's a fear. >> that as the. >> russian deputy ambassador to the. >> united nations said yesterday. >> don't get too excited about one tweet or in this case, one. >> truth social post. >> i mean, that's. >> not a change in policy. >> and to truly execute a

change in policy. >> that would allow. ukraine to win. >> to. >> take back. >> territory, there'll have to. >> be significant changes. >> in how. >> the us and. >> europe supply weapons, the. >> nature of. >> the. >> weapons that they supply. >> those are. all questions for the future. but you could. see in the series of. statements from trump, his frustration, his anger and his sense that vladimir putin, in addition to insulting him. >> in his mind. >> also can be had is weak. enough that he can be he can be rolled. >> all right, all right. >> we've got a lot more to get to. still coming up. we're going to go through the key issues, holding up a deal to keep the government funded as the deadline to avoid a shutdown is quickly approaching. we'll discuss that with senate minority leader chuck schumer. he joins us on set this morning. morning joe will be right back. >> also talking. >> about the. >> about the. >> president at the u at bombas, we make absurdly comfortable socks, slippers you'll float in,

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did not. agree with that decision and i told them that and we had many conversations. i shared my point of view, they shared theirs, we talked it through and at the end, even though they didn't have to, they really didn't have to. this is a giant company. we have short attention spans, and i am a tiny part of the disney corporation. they welcomed me back on the air, and i thank them for. >> that, because. >> i've been. hearing a lot about. >> what i need to say and do tonight. and the truth is, i don't think what i have to say is going to make much of a difference. if you like me, you like me. if you don't, you don't. i have no illusions about changing anyone's mind, but i do want to make something clear, because it's important to me as a human. and that is, you understand that it was never my intention to make light of the murder of a young man. >> i don't. i don't think there's anything funny about it. >> i posted a message on instagram on. >> the. >> day he was killed, sending love to his family and asking for compassion. and i meant it.

and i still do. nor was it my intention to blame any specific group for the actions of what it was. obviously a deeply disturbed individual. that was really the opposite of the point i was trying to make. but i understand that to some that felt either ill timed or unclear or maybe both. and for those who think i did point a finger, i get why you're upset. if the situation. >> was reversed. >> there was a good chance i'd have felt the same way. i have many friends and family members on the other side who i love and remain close to, even though we don't agree on politics at all. i don't think the murderer who shot. charlie kirk represents anyone. this was a sick person who believed violence was a solution, and it isn't. >> joining the conversation, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, host of the podcast on brand with donny deutsch. donny deutsch, senior writer for the dispatch and a columnist for bloomberg opinion. david drucker is with us. jonathan lemire, david ignatius

and katty kay are still with us as well. >> donny, talk about jimmy kimmel last night. >> you know, there are two points he. >> brought up. >> that i. >> think. >> are really important. >> number one, he. >> said. this is. >> not. about him. >> and then he also. >> referenced the republicans that stood up for him, ted cruz and rand paul. >> and the reality. >> is, and this hasn't been talked. >> about a lot, this is not. >> popular with. >> the. majority of americans. >> 68% of americans. when asked, said it's unacceptable. for a broadcaster, for. >> the government to. >> get broadcasters to pressure them. >> to take people off. >> the air they. >> don't use, they don't agree with. >> and i think. >> americans. >> spoke up for free speech. so i think disney was smart. >> bringing him back, because the. >> the popularity of free speech. >> is something that i don't think. >> we should. >> ever, ever. >> really question. but that. >> this was an unpopular political move. and i thought kimmel had every. >> night, every right note. >> and it's. >> interesting. >> in talking. >> to a lot. >> of my republican. >> friends. >> a lot of my. >> friends at trump supporters. >> almost to. >> a. >> person. >> they came out and said, no. >> no, no, this. >> this is not right. >> yeah. agreed mike. and again,

a. >> lot of. >> a lot of reasons to be discouraged. >> there are. >> also some green. shoots when you have jimmy kimmel. >> ted cruz. >> rand paul. >> you know. >> other people. >> all across the ideological spectrum coming out saying, no, no, no, no, no, this is not about left versus right, democratic. >> against republican. >> this is about big government. versus free speech. and even if we don't. >> agree with. >> jimmy kimmel or. like him. we support his right to speak. >> well, it would be. >> hard not. >> to admire. >> jimmy kimmel. >> after watching. >> him last night in that performance. it was heartfelt. >> it was sincere. >> it was personal. >> it was moving and it was genuine. and it was about something that affects everyone in this country. >> we have something. that very. >> few people in the world have. >> we have. >> the right. >> to speak. >> we have. >> the. right to. >> say what we want to. say. when we want. >> to. >> say it. >> with very few restrictions.

and that goes from late. >> night comedians. >> to what we do here in the morning, to what you say on a bus. or in a school room or whatever. freedom of speech is the core. >> of the united. >> states of america. >> well. >> and. >> a. >> lot of. >> people believe have believed. >> it's been under siege for. >> a decade. >> and now. >> a lot. >> of those. >> same people. are leading the the war against free speech on college campuses and other places. right now. it's cancel. >> culture seems. >> to be back, but. >> this time with the vengeance. >> from the right. >> really. >> but this was definitely a victory. for free speech. a victory again. >> not just led by democrats. >> but led by republicans. >> as well. and i. >> really loved. >> jimmy talking. >> about what. >> him sending his. >> love to. >> to erika. >> kirk and the family talking. >> about erika. >> kirk and what. >> she said. >> the forgiveness. talking about. >> how. >> he he has people in his family and people that he knows

he loves that. >> are are. donald trump supporters. >> and they still love each other. >> they still talk to each other. they still get along with each other. it's just i thought it was a very, you know, it was it. >> wasn't an us against them. look at me. i am, you know. whatever i am. >> spartacus. >> it was saying, hey, let's figure out how to. >> do this together. >> yeah, there was humility. >> in. >> that statement last night, basically. saying maybe what i said was wrong. maybe what. >> i said was. >> was. poorly timed. >> given that the. murder of charlie. >> kirk was so fresh, we can debate that. but what we shouldn't be debating is whether or not the president of the united states or the federal government can use. >> its. >> power to shut down voices. >> it disagrees with. >> that's just. >> not a. >> road that this country wants to go down. david drucker, i'm curious what you thought. and if you're dialed in, perhaps a little better than most to the maga world and to conservative eyes on jimmy kimmel. >> someone like. >> ted cruz saying. i don't like. >> jimmy kimmel, i don't. >> think jimmy kimmel is funny, but i sure as hell don't think

he should. >> be pulled. >> off the air for something that people found distasteful. kimmel probably didn't win over those people, as he conceded last night. but what do you suspect will be the reaction after this? >> well, look, i mean, i think you'll still see some complaining on the right that people on the left haven't fully appreciated what they believe they went through over the past 5 to 10 years. where center left institutions are just institutions in the country. >> that they perceive. >> as center. >> left, or that just are liberal institutions like universities and. certain corners of the media were not as sort of understanding of their right to. >> speak and. >> say things that may have been uncomfortable on the left that they believed. and you know what we've heard a lot of over the past few days from people on the right is one, this is wrong. >> we've been.

>> saying this is. >> wrong. >> even though we don't like kimmel, even though we. >> don't. >> agree with a lot of the things he says. the government is not allowed to coerce or determine what is acceptable speech. but broadly speaking. >> we feel like we've. >> been the victims of this, and nobody on the left has been. >> listening because. >> what they thought, the things that we were saying were beyond the pale. and of course, i think what all of this may hopefully. get people on the right and the left back to. but we're going to have to see, is that the whole point of the first amendment is that we we are allowed to say things that the other side finds uncomfortable or wrong or rude or vile, right? >> and so. >> obviously. >> joe. >> willie, we should all exercise. good judgment as to where and when we say things. but nobody in washington, where i am and where i work that works for the federal government, gets to make that decision. it's a decision my employers get to make. you guys

get to make. when i'm on your air. my wife gets to. make when i'm out in public with her. but the government doesn't get to tell me what to do when it comes to speech. and it would be nice if everybody could now sort of appreciate what the other side has been going through, and they could at. least join hands on that. >> right. >> and it hasn't just. >> been the past. >> five, ten years. >> i mean. >> there. >> have been times that condi rice has has been disinvited to to graduations to give. a speech. >> because some. >> people were too frail. >> emotionally to handle condi rice speaking. same thing with former governor of new. >> jersey, a republican. and you hear. >> the i. >> think christine. lagarde at one point. >> was was disinvited. >> and so. >> so these attacks. >> against free speech have. >> come from the left. they're coming from the right a good bit right now, people, you know, the attorney general of the united. states saying. >> you know, she's going. >> to see.

>> if she. >> can bring. >> action against office depot. >> for. >> not. >> putting. >> up fliers. anybody remember the wedding. >> cake case that we talked about for a decade? i mean, so. >> yeah. >> i both sides and i will say both sides. it is a both sides thing. the left the left for years has. >> tried to stifle. certain speech on campuses. we had guests here five. >> years ago. four years ago the law school deans of of i think berkeley and yale coming on going, hey, we got to be able to have people come into our campus without. >> the heckler's veto. >> we've got to be able to get people out of the classroom so our students can learn again just because they're here, you know? so yeah, this has happened on both sides, donny. and right. >> now it is. and i again, i. >> commend ted cruz again for for saying, oh okay, we do this to them. they're going to do this to us. we it's kind of like the filibuster. we keep waiting for one side to blow up

the filibuster. and they still don't because they understand they're not going to be in power forever. yeah, free. >> speech is free speech is free speech. >> and i think. >> what. >> i hope is. >> that advertisers. >> don't buckle because this is not. >> over yet. >> what's going to happen is they're going to reach out to advertisers. >> oh, you're on jimmy. >> kimmel and whatnot. >> and advertisers, please. >> don't don't. >> don't be weak here. stand true. >> doesn't matter. whether you. >> support kimmel. doesn't matter. >> where you don't. >> support kimmel. this is. >> a free country. >> this is free speech. >> yeah. but like you said though, this is again, this is a this is david ignatius. this is the decision disney made, is a decision that's supported by the majority of americans. i mean, it is people. people don't want the federal government to ban. late night hosts because they they're doing now what they've been doing for 50 years on late night television, making fun of politicians, especially making fun of whoever the president is at the time. >> so, joe, free speech is our civic religion. >> it's the one thing that.

>> everybody believes in. >> i thought. >> it was notable. >> that overnight. >> joe rogan. >> issued a strong. >> statement supporting jimmy kimmel's right to. >> say what he wants and saying. >> we're just. not a country. >> where where people regulate what. >> comedians or anybody. >> else say in public. >> i do. >> hope that after this intense discussion of. >> what free speech really means, the lead in some ways by charlie. >> kirk, who was a passionate advocate for it. >> that that president trump understands that, too, that he hears. what the country's. mood is. >> on this. you know, he was still. >> talking about how he hates his. >> enemies and he wants to wants to shut him up. >> well. >> that's that's. >> not where a lot. >> of people in his party in. >> in his. >> in his america. >> and david said. >> it so well earlier. >> that's not. >> where folks are. so, you know, it. >> would be great. >> if this was a moment. >> that clarified.

>> for everybody that free. >> speech is absolutely central to what kind of country. >> we are. >> well, it's happening, and it's absolutely central to what kind of country the united states is. one of the things that people on the right have been deeply critical of have been been incursions into free speech in europe, people being arrested for saying things that are unpopular, comedy writers being arrested for saying things that are unpopular or maybe not seen as politically correct. of course, the deep, deep irony there is that they are pointing at europe for doing this all along. and then it happened in the united states after a threat from brendan carr and the fcc. >> yeah, i mean, it. >> does make the vice. >> president's words ring. >> a little hollow when. >> he goes and. >> criticizes a lack of free. >> speech in europe. and then. >> we have. jimmy kimmel. >> pull off the air after. >> very clear. >> opposition from a senior. government official. >> in. brendan carr. so this there's a lot of hypocrisy here. there are a lot of hot feelings

here. at the moment. it feels that free speech has become just another political football that the left and the right will use in this country, or use even against other countries in order to make the country as much as. >> they can in. >> their own image. >> and try. >> and use. >> it as another way to get support for themselves that it feels. that's what the. >> president was. >> doing with this issue around jimmy kimmel. it's clear he wants to use the levers of government as much as possible in all areas as possible, in order to create a country that supports him in public as much as possible. and i think free speech was one of that. but the country pushed back. >> yeah. >> former secretary of state hillary clinton will be our guest this morning. we'll have a lot to cover with her. from president trump's u.n. speech to the war in ukraine, as well as 20 years of the clinton global initiative. you're watching morning joe. we'll be watching morning joe. we'll be right back.

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>> a pen in the courtroom, but the court bailiffs intervened and he did not appear to have succeeded in harming himself. ruth now faces life in prison for the most serious charge. secret service agents dismantled a network of electronic devices yesterday at several locations around new york city, capable of being used to shut down the city's cell phone network, officials said. the system was also used to anonymously convey assassination threats against senior u.s. officials and for other criminal activities. in all, agents found more than 300 sim servers and 100,000 sim cards, along with drugs, illegal firearms, computers and cell phones, two officials familiar with the matter told nbc news. there was no specific plot to shut down new york city's cell phone system, and that no one has been arrested. officials were also investigating whether people who created the network planned

to use it to disrupt this week's united nations general assembly, taking place in new york, and democrat adelita. >> grijalva has. >> won yesterday's special election in arizona's deep blue seventh congressional district. she succeeds her late father, congressman raul grijalva, and will serve out the remaining 15 months of his turn. grijalva fills one of three vacancies in the house, giving democrats another vote in the tightly divided lower chamber, narrowing the republican party's majority to 19 to 214. >> jonathan. >> here's why that matters. the democrats now have enough votes to push for the release of the epstein material in the house. they were one vote short. they now have that because of this win last night. so i think we'll see them push for that in the days ahead. >> interesting. back here in new york city, president trump addressed the un general assembly yesterday where he questioned the purpose of the

institution and blamed the organization for uncontrolled migration. >> what is the purpose of the united nations? the un has such tremendous potential. i've always said it. it has such tremendous, tremendous potential. but it's not even coming close to living up to that potential for the most part, at least for now. all they seem to do is write a really strongly worded letter and then never follow that letter up. it's empty words and empty words don't solve war. not only is the un not solving the problems it should do, often, it's actually creating new problems for us to solve. the best example is the number one political issue of our time, the crisis of uncontrolled migration. it's uncontrolled. your countries are being ruined. the united nations is funding an assault on western countries and their borders. i'm the

president of the united states. but i worry about europe, i love europe, i love the people of europe. and i hate to see it being devastated by energy and immigration. this double tailed monster destroys everything in its wake, and they cannot let that happen any longer. you're doing it because you want to be nice. you want to be politically correct, and you're destroying your heritage. >> that speech, david ignatius, lasted almost an hour with all the ad libs. there was a. prompter malfunction as well. donald trump, president, weaving his way through the speech. you know, we talk about grading on a curve. but if you sat and. watched that for an hour in many places, it was disturbing. what was the reaction in the room? what's the reaction in the foreign policy community to the message somewhere in there? >> so really. >> i think as so often. >> with donald trump, you. >> have to. >> say the messages. >> there were. >> parts of the speech that. >> any sensible. >> observer of foreign.

>> policy would agree with. the un has not been effective. the un has too often issue statements. >> and doesn't follow through. >> and trump was right to call that. call that out. the rant almost about climate change i found mystifying in a world where every part of. >> the world seems. >> regularly to be experiencing the the reality that our climate is changing in dangerous ways. i didn't understand why the. >> the. >> president said that. >> this is a president. >> who has made. >> clear that he wants. >> to win nobel peace prize. >> so here he was speaking to the united nations. he didn't play the clip in which he recited all of his attempts to. >> to make peace. >> one way to read what. >> happened yesterday is. >> the one person who could. >> nominate donald. >> trump effectively. >> for the nobel peace prize. >> is vladimir zelensky. >> that's the one nomination that might really carry some weight in oslo.

>> and if zelensky truly is convinced that that president who spoke with him not to the united nations general assembly is is the real man that's going to be, you know, as. as zelensky put it, about. >> about trump, maybe a game changer. >> that's, forgive. >> us, a. >> cynical view of what what happened. but that may be behind it. >> so the wall street journal editorial board has a new piece entitled trump unplugged at turtle bay. and it reads in part, quote, president trump breaks political conventions almost daily, for better or for worse. but sometimes his candor has the advantage of speaking truths that no one else dares to recognize. and so he did tuesday in new york, when he told the united nations general assembly that it is increasingly irrelevant. mr. trump isn't so much rejecting the un as noting the way it has become an obstacle to the peace, prosperity and universal human

rights it claims to promote. in 2017, the un delegates laughed at mr. trump's general assembly remarks, but not this time. if they were honest with themselves, at least some of them would admit that he has the place nailed. >> david drucker the un has always. >> been an easy target. >> madeleine albright. when she was there for president clinton, said the un must reform or die. there was always, always been a joke going around. how many people work at the un? about a third of them. and if you look at again for me, when when i. >> was on the armed services committee, the thing that offended me every year. >> was when. >> you would look at who was on the united nations human rights commission, and it was always the most serial human rights abusers in the world. or most. of them. >> so. >> again, the united nations has always been an easy target. this wall street journal

editorial page certainly. lines up with that. and i would guess many americans would agree with the president. >> yeah, i think you know, the problem the un has had from the vantage point of americans is, is that. >> it's selective in its criticism. >> of other countries. israel always. comes under scrutiny by the un, and there are malign. >> actors and. >> malevolent countries all over the world that aren't even western democracies the way israel is. and the un has nothing to say about them and never has. and and the us is always having to play the role of stopping the un. from punishing israel, but also punishing other countries that may not deserve it, while ignoring all of the countries that really, really deserve a lot more scrutiny. you know, the one thing we could say about we could say two things about trump, you know, as david just referenced, which is on the one hand, he will say things that that that past

republican presidents have said, but in a more blunt manner that are going to get a lot more attention. you know, the one thing that he always runs the risk of doing is offending the voters in the countries that he wants to influence, which is a thing, you know, about ten years ago. i was interviewing george shultz, who has since passed away. he worked in five administrations. he worked for ronald reagan, and he would he told me about president reagan being often very frustrated by some of the european countries, as he was trying to to work with them to oppose the soviet union, but that reagan was always cognizant of the fact that the leaders he was dealing with had voters to answer to, and he didn't want to make it so difficult on them that their own voters were going to reject the things that he wanted those leaders to do. and that's sometimes where i think trump may miss the mark. but when it comes to speaking truth to the

united nations, if you can sift out all of the other things he insists on inserting in all of the speeches he gives, including this one. there was a lot there that republicans have believed for a long time, and that i think many republican voters, many voters. across the spectrum, would agree with, particularly because the us is such an important financial backer and the host of the un. >> and and donnie, as david said, for years, for years, well before the war in gaza, for. >> years. >> israel has seemed to be the. easy target. the united nations, the anti-israel resolutions for decades have just piled up high at the united nations, while condemnation for hamas and other terror groups never quite seemed to see the light of day is as much as the attacks against israel. >> yeah, anti-semitism runs deep. >> in the united nations. i mean. >> they have.

>> never. >> ever been a fair player. >> you can. >> come out on either side. >> on israel. >> that you want. >> but when. >> it. comes to. >> israel, they have been very. >> one sided. they will they. >> were. >> did. >> not in. >> any way appropriately condemn. >> throughout this. >> process hamas. >> and they're. >> always, always. >> always lining up against israel. >> and so as far as the. >> un goes. >> i could give a crap. >> okay. >> all right, danny. >> there you go. >> we'll put danny. >> down as undecided. >> david ignatius and david drucker, thank you all very much for being on this morning. and coming up on morning joe, our next guest says president trump is exploiting the death of charlie kirk to try to silence his opponents. congressman jason crow joins us to discuss his new push to protect free speech in america. protect free speech in america. morning joe will be right back. over half a million people with afib have left blood thinners behind. with watchman.

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mike, the story really of the last month of this pretty remarkable playoff run has been the two best teams in the. american league. the tigers and the blue jays have just collapsed. blue jays not as much, but the tigers collapse. collapse is an all. >> time. >> which i hate because i've always. loved the tigers. >> they've always been my second. >> favorite team in. >> the american league from the time. >> i. >> was a little. >> i love them, i love them. >> i love. >> al kaline. >> i. >> love the hats. i love the orange. >> t for. >> the great hat. classic uniforms. danny mclain, you know, good, good guy. incredible, incredible collapse. >> how could they. >> do it? >> i don't. >> know. >> but i. >> mean, they've done it. >> they've done it. >> i mean, cleveland is now. >> because of. >> the virtue. >> of the fact that they have the tiebreaker. >> they're there. >> yeah. >> they were ahead of of. >> the tigers. >> so there's that's second. second side of this story. >> right. i've got a good friend who's a huge cleveland fan. and he was just like in total despair a month ago. >> they had.

>> the lowest batting average in baseball. the cleveland guardians lowest batting average. i still can't say it. it's hard. it's still hard. it's still. >> hard. >> not to say the cleveland indians. yes, the commanders thing was the commanders easier. i even like this. i like the washington football team for the uneven application. >> of it to. >> i mean, atlanta. >> basically has. everything but. >> chief noc-a-homa, right. they still do the chant. they still and so but. >> anyway, so. >> the cleveland. guardians guardians. >> had the. >> lowest batting average in. baseball before. >> they start this. >> remarkable streak. >> win streak. >> that coincides with. >> the tigers remarkable losing. i've never seen anything like this. poor john. it was. >> a 15.5 game lead on july 8th, 15.5 on july 8th. >> this is like. >> some brooklyn dodgers. >> this is this is a. >> historic. >> it is this is.

>> a historic collapse. last night they beat the tigers ace. they win a game that skubal starts. they do so with a winning rally that's. like a bunt and a single and an error like this. this little dribbler. i mean, it's. guardians baseball. that's guardians. >> baseball right there. you know. >> that's overshadowed. the mets have also had. >> a collapse. >> so they did win last night or they moved back ahead of the reds for that last wild card spot. but that's the that's the story of the game right now. is cleveland also the other team slumping down the stretch houston which lost again last night as well. so right now they'd also be on the outside looking in. >> i want. >> to talk really quickly really because this is a total mystery to me. like the mets have such a good team. but every time through the year. i've looked, they've either had like a four game winning. >> streak or. >> a five game losing streak. what is wrong with the new york mets? they got the lineup. they got the bats right. they brought in juan soto. they gave him a half $1 billion to commit almost $1 billion over the life

of the contract. but at the end of the day, it's always pitching, right, mike? >> yeah, yeah. >> they have a very. >> mediocre staff. >> i mean, their. >> ace was sean manaea. maybe he's. >> been sitting. >> he's been sat for about three. weeks injured, came back. >> he's still. >> not doing well. it's always pitching. >> that's the answer. >> and i think mets fans, even as thrilled as they were that they got soto they didn't spend on pitching. they all have a bunch of like number three starters. there's no ace there who could stop a losing streak. and that's been a problem for the mets. they've relied on a bunch of rookies of late who for the most part have been pretty good. but they're inconsistent. they're kids, and that's why they've really been in a tailspin of late. although at the moment they do have a one game lead on arizona and cincinnati, although the reds have the tiebreaker over new york. cincinnati reds. we don't. >> talk about them, but they're right there. they could do it. meanwhile, meanwhile, the mariners are just playing out of their minds. four three comeback win over the rockies last night. they've won 15 of 16. wow. now locking up a playoff appearance for just the fourth time this century. wow.

mariners can clinch the al west division with another win or another loss by the slumping houston astros today. seattle looks really good. all right, one quick question. yeah i was wondering what was chief nakajima doing when there wasn't a home run come out of the teepee. what was he doing in there? well the problem is the braves had i born in atlanta. and so we would go to atlanta, fulton county stadium. yeah. you know, there'd be like 4318. and everybody remembers this. if you're sitting behind home plate because you can sit anywhere you want. and fulton county in the pat rocket era, 1976. >> if jeff burrows hits a foul ball. down the right field. >> line. >> we all. >> get up and we start sprinting because it would knock around. nobody's there. yeah, nobody's. nobody's from the dugout to the seats. you're just going down there. >> look at my cats. >> you're running. >> stop it. >> stop it. >> so anyway. >> yeah. >> so anyway.

>> i recognize. >> people i. >> wasn't sure. >> yeah. >> so anyway. >> make it this. >> the problem. >> is with chief noc-a-homa. >> he had. >> hank aaron, right? yeah. then. then i guess he had dale murphy. dale murphy. i'm not sure. >> when did they cancel. >> my screen saver? >> i think late 80s. >> it was before the. >> run. >> early. >> before they got really good. yeah, before chipper and the boys came in. >> how do. >> i make it? my screen saver. would you. >> help me with that? >> you know. >> are. >> we still on. >> the air? >> we're not. >> going to make this. >> this is amazing. >> sitting next. >> to his. >> then wife. >> jane fonda. >> and jane. >> fonda is doing. >> the tomahawk. >> chop. >> and ted's asleep. >> oh, my god. >> can we just talk. >> really quickly, though? i just because ted turner. yeah, yeah. about ted turner. >> and i. >> know i'm. >> like. >> you got ted turner, willie. and you you worked at cnn. yeah. i love your story. about ted turner. >> and we. >> think sometimes, you know, we always talk about steve jobs.

>> we talk about all. >> these. >> other people that have been right in front of us. ted turner is kind of been in the background, but man, he the 70s. i mean, it's incredible what that guy has done to transform. this country and a lot of different ways. yeah. created cnn, 1980, i think is the year someone will check me on that a year after espn is created. so you have this like bubbling cable television universe that he and the people at espn helped to create. he started a network where i started my career as a production assistant called cnn sports illustrated. it was a 24 hour. >> sports network. >> and i have multiple witnesses to this. many times you'd be sitting at midnight in the newsroom. mika, you've been a. >> newsroom. >> you know, it's like. >> late at night. >> oh, yeah. >> and you just hear a voice and they're like. >> hey. >> hey. >> we turn around. >> and ted turner, braves win. yes, sir. they won 3 to 2. they beat the pirate. oh, good. and then he'd walk out. yeah. we thought, why not have your own

sports network where you can walk downstairs, scream into an open room and get all the scores you want? >> yeah, that's. >> that's a. >> great story. >> i mean, he really did. and were you. i know i asked you this before. >> but. >> were you around when nick charles and fred hickman started what i think they started, but i was there with them. were there. yes. >> the. >> the most influential, i think, sports program of our time. >> it was. >> every night on cnn came on, i think at 10:00 o'clock and it was nick. and this is before we had obviously phones and espn was nascent still, and sportscenter, which is kind of. >> coming up. >> but it was like tuning in for the nightly news. if you're a sports fan, it was tom brokaw. you turn on the tv and they would tell you with personality what happened that night. yeah, fred was great. he was a great mentor to a lot of us. nick was incredible. vince cellini came in after nick. it was a wonderful place to work. very cool. just the best of. >> all right. coming up on morning joe, we are just days away from a potential

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kimmel being back on the airwaves, do you still believe free speech is under attack at this moment? >> it's absolutely. under attack. i mean, this president, stephen miller, his lieutenants, are coming after every american who dares dissent or speak out against them. right. i went to war three times for this country to defend the right of people. >> to say. >> things i may not like. and we protect it all the time for everybody. because power is cyclical in america. >> right. and when you're. >> in the minority and. >> you're. >> not in. >> power, you need. that ability. >> to dissent. >> there's nothing more american. >> than the right and the ability to dissent. i mean, it is. >> how our country came to be. >> so what. >> do you make then, congressman, when you hear last week, the attorney general. >> of the united states. >> for example, saying. >> hate speech. >> is not. included in free speech. >> she tried. >> later to clean up. >> those comments and try to. >> change what she said a little bit. >> but the idea. that the people at the top. >> these aren't just random podcasters or flamethrowers on cable tv, these are people with real power. the head of the fcc, the. >> attorney general, the. >> president of.

>> the united states, the vice. >> president of the. >> united states, saying, if. >> you see something. >> distasteful online about charlie kirk, call. >> their employer, get them fired. >> yeah. >> this is coming from real. >> positions of power now. right. >> well, everybody. >> knows you can't. >> yell fire. >> in a theater. >> you can't. >> incite violence. you can't. make threats. >> against somebody. >> everybody knows that. >> and the law is pretty clear. about those points. but that's not what this administration. >> is looking to do. >> they say the quiet part out loud. now, we don't have to guess what they intend. they say that only they will decide what's hateful. only they will decide who's a terrorist. >> only they will decide. >> who gets. >> to speak up and. >> who. >> does not. >> right. and it all happens. >> to be in every one of those instances, people who agree with them, who won't speak out against them. this is unbelievably dangerous. we are entering a very dangerous period if we allow this to happen, which is why every american and i tell my republican friends to have to speak out against this too, because it's an attack on every single american. if this is what this administration will be allowed to do. >> so do you get the.

>> sense when you speak to your republican colleagues? i mean, even some of your democratic colleagues. >> that they think that the essence. >> of what is going. >> on, the threat to. free speech, is as heightened and danger to. >> us as you. >> do now. >> some people think that they're. >> safe, and those. >> folks aren't paying attention to history. if somebody thinks they're safe. >> because of their. >> ideology, because of their color, because. >> of their position. >> because of their political affiliation, they're not paying attention to history. because in. >> a system. >> where raw power and grievance and vengeance and corruption reign supreme. as is happening with this administration, nobody is ever safe. and if you also think that what donald trump is doing is based on ideology, you haven't. >> been paying attention to him either, right? the man doesn't. believe in any politics, right? >> he certainly isn't a fiscal conservative. >> we know that, right? >> what he believes in is donald trump. >> in his power. right? and anybody. >> dare speak up and question him has to be silenced. and

again, that is a threat to every single american, regardless. of your. political background. so, congressman, you're on the house armed services committee. let's turn you to the war in ukraine. we heard very different rhetoric from president trump yesterday, saying that he believes ukraine can potentially even reclaim all of its territory. this comes just a couple of weeks after he said there would need to be land swaps and the like. we're talking earlier in the show, some skepticism, perhaps about whether there'll be follow through to this rhetoric. but you've been very critical of his approach to the war so far. what do you make of what you heard yesterday? well, i've been critical because his approach, his approach has been weak. it's been timid, you know, and i was i was critical of the last administration for doing things. >> too slowly. >> for not being aggressive enough or, you know, playing not to lose instead of playing to win. i think in national security, you have to show strength. you have to back it up not just with rhetoric, but with action. and certainly. >> this administration. >> has shown nothing but weakness. and when you're dealing with. vladimir putin, somebody who only understands

strength. you know, vladimir putin doesn't give a darn what anybody has to say. he is only interested in what he is forced to do in this administration has. >> not. >> forced him to do anything. >> so, congressman, i see the concerns you have about this administration. but as start thinking about heading into midterms and politics, what should democrats be focused on when they are messaging to the american people and to win the midterms? >> well, you know, i'm. >> the chair of recruitment for the d triple c. >> so it's. >> you know, it's my job is to go out there and find candidates. cost of living and health care are the main issues right. >> but this. >> isn't about just messaging to to everybody all the time. we have to make sure that we're getting. back to. our roots and focusing on working class voters. blue collar, working. >> class voters. >> so people. can't afford. to buy homes. they're about to be priced out of their health care. they can't afford their prescriptions. this is life and death for americans. and we need to talk about this because donald trump is blowing up

people's pocketbooks right now. >> so often the republicans or donald trump or say, it's biden, it's biden, it's all their fault. they seem to sometimes find a way to blame the democrats. >> yeah. >> what is the pushback to disinformation? how do you get a clear message out there? >> well, you need. >> candidates in these swing districts around the country. i want to be really clear that this is all about the midterms for me. if we cannot retake. political power and establish a bulwark and a check on this president, we are all in deep trouble. right? >> which is why. >> i am laser focused on finding candidates in trump districts, in red districts around the country to go and take that case and show that donald trump has done nothing to lower. >> your cost. >> of housing. >> to lower your. >> cost. >> of groceries. >> to lower your. >> cost of health care, to make your community safer. he's done nothing to do that. and at the same time, this is the most corrupt presidency in the history of the country. they are lining their pockets. they are turning mar-a-lago. >> and the rose. >> garden into. a pay. >> to play destination.

>> and you. >> have. >> great candidates with service backgrounds, you know, combat veterans, sheriff's. >> deputies, small business. >> owners, parents of. young children who are taking. >> that case to the voters. >> and that is how we overcome. >> you know, the. >> difficulty of getting information out there, the algorithms on social media. you have great candidates that can show up and make the case. >> democratic congressman jason crow of colorado, thank you very much. good to have you on the show. thanks for. coming in. and still ahead, we'll ask former secretary of state hillary clinton about president trump's comments at the un general assembly when she joins the table here on morning joe. plus, senate minority leader chuck schumer is our guest as well. morning joe will be right back. >> during my. >> recovery. >> the only thing i could think about was getting back to playing birx gave me the fuel

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wonderful to be back with all of you. >> thank you so much. so the big. >> news yesterday. >> there's a there's always. news going around. i would. say for me personally, the big news was this shift on russia. and i'm curious, just looking at the arc of this story over the past month or two, from anchorage to that european leaders meeting at the white house to john has been writing about how trump is starting to get fed. >> up. >> with putin to yesterday. i'm curious, what's your take and what would it take for ukraine to win back. their their land? >> well, i. >> have to say, joe, i. >> welcomed what the president said yesterday. i thought that given all the back and forth that we have seen and heard at anchorage and elsewhere, his coming to grips with the fact that vladimir putin does not respond to any kind of rhetoric, he only responds to strength.

and you have to show strength. you have to back strength. you have to be strong in order to deal with him. and he poses a clear and present danger to all of europe and therefore to the united states. and i think if what president trump said yesterday is if we help ukraine, ukraine can hold the line and may even be able to push russia back. and there was a very interesting comment that trump made in his truth social post. he said, you know, what kind of military does russia have exactly? they couldn't even take over ukraine. this has been a point i've been trying to make now for a long time. we overestimated russia's military strength. >> can i ask. >> you a question? >> and now we're seeing that they can be pushed back. >> why do we always. >> do that? >> i mean, you can go back. i mean, you look back to history. you look at japan's. >> war with russia. >> you can look at what

happened finland and. >> russia before world war two. >> you can look at what happened in june of 41. as the germans know, eventually they pushed the nazis out. but how many tens of millions of people died? why is it that we and we did it in the cold war, too? why do we always overestimate russia's strength? >> well. >> because i think that, you know, russia is very good at propaganda and very good at telling its own story. and because it has an aggressive stance toward practically everybody. and now that's been apparent with putin for a number of years. you know, people are reluctant to, you know, engage and they have a real, you know, sense that, wait a minute. you know, they're building up their military. they do have a nuclear weapons arsenal that we can never forget. they are aggressive. so let's assume that they can, you know, do more than maybe in reality they're capable of doing. it's a it's an understandable assessment. although as you

point out, it's been wrong. and remember, putin went to beijing before he invaded ukraine. and what we know is that he basically. told xi jinping, i'll be in charge of the country. we'll be in kyiv in a week. it'll be over. well, that didn't happen. and so we should have played up more in both the biden administration than in the trump administration. russia's weakness and not been so worried about, you know, its posturing. it's threatening because the ukrainians have been defending freedom for all of us. and their war is our war. and if that's what president trump is now recognizing more, you know, more to him. i'm glad to see it. >> you almost said more power to him, but. >> we don't want him to have more power. >> right now. >> that's exactly right. >> i want to. >> ask you finally, it's a question that. that we've been asking over and over. >> again. >> and you're the perfect person to ask because you were in the white house when. vladimir putin came to power. you were secretary of state for.

>> for. >> barack obama. we also misjudged. vladimir putin time and again. i certainly understand. early on the idea of let's bring vladimir putin and russia into our league of nations. but then, of course, george w bush talking about seeing into his eyes and. >> his soul. >> all because he. >> wore a cross and he told the same old story. >> that he tells everybody. >> and then you had barack obama whispering to medvedev, we can do a lot more after. the election. just time and time again, there's this. >> we we underestimate vladimir. >> putin's ruthless ruthlessness. we know that for 20, 25 years. >> well. >> i think that it was. a an assessment based on intelligence, based on our understanding of the larger global picture that putin could go one of two directions. i mean, he could become what he

has become, which is a unrepentant russian imperialist who wants to dominate his country as he has, and his larger region. or maybe he could be persuaded, urged, convinced to take a different path because russia right now is a failing economy on many grounds. it is an extractive economy without fossil fuels and other commodities. it really doesn't produce anything. that didn't have to be the story of russia in the 21st century. you know, when i was secretary of state, i tried to convince both putin and medvedev as part of our larger approach to them. you know, they they have an educated population. they could have had a technologically advanced society. they're really good at propaganda, at cyber warfare. well, they could have used it for positive things. employed people had a real presence in the modern economy. they chose not to because that would

require too much freedom. if you're going to try to create a moscow version of silicon valley, you have to let people be free to innovate, to make decisions, to speak out. and so they have reverted under putin's leadership. and, you know, i think it was not a a totally wrong bet. but once he invaded georgia and then the first time he invaded ukraine, we should have taken a much, much tougher position. when i was senator, when he invaded georgia, i was among those who wanted to take a tougher position. when i was secretary of state, i wanted to take a tougher position. when i left, he invaded ukraine for the first time. we should have been tougher in the face of that kind of aggression. and certainly his propping up assad in syria and much of what he's tried to do in africa needs to be, you know, strongly pushed back on. >> madam secretary, you heard during un week. yes. you have close relationships from your years in public service with leaders. >> from around the world.

>> i'm curious in. >> your public. >> and perhaps in your private conversations, what they're telling you about dealing with this president, particularly in his second term, when it feels that the guardrails are off in many ways about the flattery. they feel like they need to. >> give him. >> if you look at his visit to the uk. >> last week. >> or even president macron giving that friendly phone call in traffic yesterday, just about. >> the way they have. >> to deal with this president, different. >> from, say, the previous. >> president or your husband or ronald reagan. what what are they telling you about what foreign policy is like in this second trump administration? >> well. >> i was listening to your interview with congressman jason crow before i came on, and he made a really important point in dealing with president trump. there is no larger strategy. there is no overarching goal. we've just been talking about what presidents, both republican and democrats, were trying to do strategically with russia. it's all personal with president trump. it's all about how he feels about someone, what he wakes up in the morning

thinking, who's the last person who talked to him? everybody's figured that out. and so if you are in pursuit of a larger objective, ending the war in ukraine on terms that are favorable to ukraine, to freedom, to the larger issues in europe and beyond, ending the war in the middle east, you know, figuring out what the day after will look like, dealing with china, dealing with iran. there has to be strategy, but it has to be conveyed in a way that leaders believe president trump will hear them. and you know that that's personal diplomacy. i wrote a piece in the new york times that ran a day or two ago with my co-teacher at columbia, the the dean of the school of international and public affairs, karen jaramillo, where we said, you know, don't over personalize foreign policy because you can replace, you know, credibility with volatility. but when you have a leader who only personalizes

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and his legacy and his place in history, or how he is seen? so i think there's a lot of those conversations going on. you know, i'm at the clinton global initiative and and what we're doing there is focusing on the big gaps that are being left in humanitarian aid, in support for climate resilience and trying to keep ladders going for economic opportunity. the kinds of things that, you know, my husband and i have spent much of our life doing, and there we're talking to leaders who have come to cgi about, okay, the united states is no longer our partner. usaid has been, you know, totally destroyed. how do we fill the gaps? and, you know, i just want to say, today at cgi, my husband will be making this really important announcement because there's a new drug called epervier, which is an injectable. you take it twice a year, it prevents hiv and aids. and so it's very expensive in

the united states. but the the clinton health access initiative, which bill started 25 years ago, along with working on these issues with nelson mandela and others, and then with george w bush, they've gotten the price down to $40. >> a year. >> from like $14,000, which is what it would otherwise cost. so they'll be announcing that today. because in the absence of the us government playing the role of leading us in humanitarian issues, then not for profits, organizations like the clinton foundation, the clinton global initiative and and others have to fill that gap. so i'm having two conversations. i'm having the strategic conversation with a lot of people who are focused on that. and then i'm having the fill the gap conversation with others, right. which might be needed a lot more. i mean, cgi now is 20 years. yes, 20 year anniversary. right. and you just talked about the clinton health access initiative. when you look at

hhs and what is happening with rfk and vaccine access and the list goes on, how can organizations like cgi fill the gap when it comes to our nation's health? oh, it's a great question, mika. you know, we're doing a series of working groups, and in those working groups are experts, not just in the united states, but all over. and one of the biggest concerns is what we are doing in our own country to put our own people's health at risk, dismantling public health, listening to literally crackpot ideas about what's happening. and somebody reminded me yesterday, you know, in 1800, the average life expectancy in this country was about 35. it got up to 47 in 1900. it is now 78. you know, when i hear people like, you know, kennedy and others talking about, you know, getting back to a time when we aren't vaccinating, we're drinking raw milk. yeah. and

people didn't live. right. i mean, this is this is so crazy. it's so wrongheaded. it's so shortsighted, and it's going to cause deaths. we just saw two children die from whooping cough. we saw the deaths from measles. you know, i, i think we have to test science. we have to do, you know, all kinds of trials. we have to hold our pharmaceutical companies to a high standard, all of which we have done starting in the 20th century, moving into this century. and these guys want to literally turn the clock back. and, you know, when i see what is likely to happen because people are being confused, right? when your president says something, when a kennedy who's the secretary of hhs says something, what are you supposed to believe when you fire experts who've spent their entire life studying something that i want to know about. i have three grandchildren. i want to make sure they're healthy. you know, people are confused, and too many americans are listening to this,

you know, very destructive, anti-science tirade that we're hearing from this administration. and it's going to cost lives. it already is costing lives. >> another domestic issue right now is free speech. jimmy kimmel is the latest flashpoint. he was back on the air last night. we've talked through some of what he said. i'm curious, though, what you think of the bigger picture of what's happening around free speech, whether it's the message we hear from. attorney general. >> pam bondi or the head of the fcc, the president of the united states, the vice. >> president of. >> the united states. >> about going after explicitly people they view as. political enemies. >> or opponents and silencing those voices. >> how dangerous do you view that moment to be? >> i view it as very dangerous. it is right out of the authoritarian playbook, willie. i mean, this is you know, this is point four of the authoritarian playbook. silence

your opponents, cripple the media. that doesn't give you the slavish attention and agreement that you desire. use the power of the government to go after corporations and individuals. i thought, you know, jimmy kimmel did an excellent job last night in, you know, being very emotional, actually, about that moment for him and how he felt misunderstood. and he certainly didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. but on the other hand, you know, standing up for free speech, i've said a million times, i mean, good lord, the things that have been said about me, the lies that have been propagated. if i had only known, i could call up the fcc chair and say, take this person off the air, get that person out of my sight, off with his head. i'm just looking at joe. what? yeah. >> what i've. >> done nothing. >> but. be kind. >> to you. well, once you saw the light, i mean, it was sort of an epiphany. >> why don't you.

>> admit it? we were. >> the only ones. >> at. >> this network in 2000. >> yeah. >> no, but but but, you know. you have to laugh about it. you don't cry because what is happening is so contrary to the founding principles and values this country was built on. why is the first amendment the first amendment right? you know, it's because the people who constructed the, you know, architecture of this incredible country of ours understood what it was like to live under absolute power, where you would be told what to say, what not to say. don't insult the king. don't you know, do anything that will displease the king. and we, you know, we've got to stand against that. and i appreciated jimmy kimmel calling out some of the republicans, frankly, who stood up and said, wait a minute, this this is not right. we can't go here. but they're not going to stop. they're going to try, because that's what authoritarians do. they they want to silence people who are raising questions, who are

asking, you know, really, what does this mean? how can you do this? i mean, what are you talking about? you have no scientific evidence. you have no basis for that. >> i do want to say for the record. >> oh. >> no, i shouldn't have poked that bear. right. >> and i've. >> told this story a million times. i when i ran in 94, you know, we were fierce. we went to the white house picnic. no, i told the story a lot, and i should tell you the story. >> and so. >> i went back to. pensacola and. >> there was. >> luke mccoy. what did you. >> think about clinton's? >> what do you think of the white house, where. >> they go? what do you think about? and they went down everybody. then he goes, and what did you think of hillary? >> i go. >> i liked her. >> oh, i said. >> she's. >> like, you know. >> it's weird. i was like, she's a midwest methodist. and and he. >> just happened to be true. >> he just sat. >> there staring. >> at me. >> and he. >> said she. >> she believes. what she. >> says and. >> she's earnest.

>> and anyway, yeah, that's way back in. >> yeah, but but that that raises a larger question. i mean, we have and and i include myself. we have got to stop demonizing each other. yeah. now i think most of that right now in our country's history is coming, you know, from the right, coming from people who want to dominate. they want their point of view. they're right, you know, writing out slavery from history, that doesn't make it go away. you know, we have got to stop with the finger pointing and the scapegoating. we can have legitimate disagreements. right? right. i mean, how do you provide quality, affordable health care to everybody? let's figure that out. how do you deal with what's going to be job loss from i? let's get working on that. you know that's what we should be doing. but we should do it in the truth based reality, right. that we have to live in. you know, facts and evidence have to matter again, and then we can start having good debates. you know, when i was in the senate for eight years, i

sponsored legislation with practically every republican. we found some common ground to stand on, work on, try to do something with. >> you know what i asked. trent lott right after you got there. about six months. we were sitting there talking, and of course. >> i think. >> he was yelling at me for not being obedient enough. >> republican. >> and and i said, how's hillary doing over here? he goes, hardest worker. she works with everybody, republicans, democrats alike. and then, of course, the famous general petraeus, quote, who knows the most about what's going on in the military on capitol hill? and his answer, you mean other than hillary clinton? >> well, you know, look. >> some people notice. >> hard work. >> i take it seriously, you know, when you're going to be making decisions that affect, you know, the young men and women in the military or affect, you know, our health care, you should do the work. and right now, lots of people in congress are not doing the work. you know, they're getting their

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>> we are. >> back with former secretary of state hillary clinton. we've been talking in the break. we've talked about the midterms, a number of other issues, and given all these concerns that we've been talking about, the constitution is 238 years old this month. are we still headed toward a more perfect union? i think right now we're on pause, i think that people are uncertain. some people are actually scared about what's going on in our country. the idea of we the people, that all men and women are created equal, that seems to be in the crosshairs of those on the right who want to turn the clock back on the progress that

has been made, writing out huge chunks of our history slavery, suffrage, anything inconvenient, you know, take it out of museums, take it out of national parks. >> but why? >> why do that? >> i think. >> the story, our story is all. >> the. >> more glorious. >> when we. >> look at. >> where we came. >> from, what we fought through. >> i mean, even abraham lincoln's life, even abraham lincoln's own words, even abraham lincoln's own evolution. >> you can't look. >> at. >> this american story and not be proud because of that progress. >> well, i wish you would record that and literally go play it outside the white house and the congress 24 over seven. because, you know, i love my country and i love it, you know, warts and all. and i'm proud of the fact that we have always been a work in progress. you know, we haven't gotten to the more perfect union. and we fought a civil war over part of it. and people have been protesting, you know, for hundreds of years that, you know, things were not as they

should be, given our ideals and how we should be moving toward them. so i think that's what makes us so special as a country. and the idea that you could turn the clock back and try to recreate a world that never was dominated by, you know, let's say it, white men of a certain persuasion, a certain religion, a certain point of view, a certain ideology. it's just doing such damage to what we should be aiming for. and we were on the path toward that, i mean, imperfectly, lots of bumps along the way. but i agree with you. we were on the right trajectory. >> let me let me ask you about the democratic party, because and what they need to do and what's going wrong over the past decade, you're talking about how important the midterms are. if you just look, i saw. this a couple. >> of days ago. >> at the county's at the the districts along the

texas-mexico border. i think you won those counties by 60 plus points. i think donald trump won those counties outright. that story has been retold time and time again. why have democrats lost not only working class white men, but working class black men? latinos go down the list. young men, so many others. what have what's gone wrong? what do democrats need to do moving forward to set? set things straight. >> look, i think that there are a lot of reasons, but, you know, it probably boils down to candidates on the democratic side either stop talking in ways that were going to be understood and appreciated and agreed with by certain constituencies. stop being effective communicators in modern communications. you know, the republican party, i have to

say, has done a much better job dominating social media, dominating the podcast ecosystem, getting messages out and aiming, particularly at young men. and this was one of the insights that steve bannon had that, you know, young men who were into gaming, young men who were on the internet a lot, you know, they could be recruited, they could be persuaded to be political supporters of the republican party if the republican party actually engaged and talked to them in the right way. and i think democrats missed a lot of opportunities on that. you know, there seems to be a concerted effort to try to catch up and repair that. but if you don't communicate with people online, you know, the people who are watching us. are people already interested in politics. they're curious about our takes on things. they want to see who

your guests are, but that's, you know, kind of a small portion of the electorate. right now, most people get their news from social media. so if they're getting their news from, you know, 15 second videos, 32nd takes, three hour podcasts where people are just kind of unplugged and saying whatever. then democrats had better compete in those arenas. and so there's a lot of catch up work to be done. but there is a role for reality to play. and in the last election, people did not feel that they were better off. they did not feel that, fairly or unfairly, the policies of the biden administration were helping them, helping their families and latino voters felt that, as you say, both latino men, black men and others said, okay, well, how bad can it get? i mean, you know, we're not we're not going to, you know, want to continue this. so we have to try something different. and now,

though, they see the trump administration and policies in action. and i do think we have a very good chance, assuming, you know, we are in the fight to win back the house in 2026 and and maybe the senate, because the reality of what trump is doing, you know, for example, when they eliminated the enhanced premium tax credit for the affordable care act that hits very soon in the next 3060 days, health care costs for millions of americans are going up 75%. that's not medicaid, which hits after the 2026 election, although the results are going to be felt beforehand because hospitals are cutting back services. but the affordable care act health premium costs are going up 75%. now, when somebody logs on to renew their health insurance and they see that, wait a minute, how did that happen? well, it happened because the big bill they passed eliminated it. so reality is actually going to bite. and i think if

we do a better job than they do of explaining the connection between the republican decisions and what's happening in people's lives, it's not any more affordable. the tariffs are not any longer going to be absorbed by companies. the costs are going to start to bite. it's terrible what's happening because none of us are, you know, going to be very happy with the economic costs of that and the low job creation and the difficulties with inflation. okay. who's in charge now? >> you're touching on affordability, which is what affects everybody of all political stripes. we think about the mayor's race here in new york city. >> everyone says. >> arun mamdani was great with young people on social media. that's true. but what was the message. on social media? it was about affordability. it's too expensive. >> to. >> live in this city. yeah. very interesting. >> governor's races right. >> now in new jersey and virginia. mikie sherrill, abigail. >> spanberger. >> they're running different races a. >> little bit. >> than mamdani. >> would in new york city, but also talking about affordability. >> so when you're talking to. >> candidates and you believe.

>> this 2026 midterm is critical to blunt some. >> of the power. >> of. >> this administration. >> what are you telling them? >> is it cost jobs? >> stay focused on that. and the lesson perhaps of the last election was it's not enough just to say donald. >> trump is bad. >> you've got to talk about people's lives. >> i think you have to do that front and center. and as i say, there's a lot of good information that can now be conveyed to people that, you know, having promised to do something about affordability and having failed, you know, the republicans and their president should be held accountable. i do think that you have to also at the same time say, you know, unaccountable power is not good for anybody. you know, there is no safe haven from authoritarians. so if you're worried about affordability now because the policies are being imposed by fiat, whoever thought that a president could sign an executive order imposing tariffs, tariff power is given to the congress in article one of our constitution,

and i hope the supreme court reads article one, when they actually make a decision on this tariff case, because they have gone a long way in enabling trump to do things that i think are unconstitutional, illegal and bad for the country. so you want to say your economic standing, your well-being is directly connected to the abuse of power. how do you hold a president who's abusing power, raising costs, imposing tariffs, raising health care costs by eliminating advantages like you used to have? how do you hold that president accountable in a midterm? you vote against his party. so i think it's, you know, walk and chew gum at the same time. what you're seeing right now is part of a bigger picture. the costs are up. you can't afford to live in a lot of places, and we need to run on that. but you need to connect it to this unaccountable abuse of power that we are seeing. and for the life of me and i look at joe, having also served in the

congress for the republicans in congress to give up their article one constitutional power to be the appropriators, to be the deciders of how money should be spent. >> is outrageous. >> this would never have happened if a republican president. >> told a republican. >> appropriations chairman what he was going to. >> do. >> or chairwoman, they'd go, oh, i'll tell you what. >> why? that's cute. >> why don't you just stay on your side? >> but they also, if there were a democratic president, a republican members would not let a democratic president take out a pen and say, i'm imposing tariffs 50% today, 23% tomorrow, 100%. yeah. i mean. >> we would walk around with. >> buttons that. >> said article one. >> article one, i'm going to have those buttons made, joe, and we should all walk around and we should pass them out in the congress, and we'll see how many republican members will actually put it on their lapel. >> there's a. reason it's the first. >> article 100%.

>> and madison and hamilton. >> were. >> very clear about that. >> yes. well, but that's my point. the the cowardice, the intimidation, the the absolute complicity and compliance of the republicans in congress is just shocking to me. you know, i served some of them are still there. i served with them. they would never have let president bush do this. certainly not president obama or, you know, president clinton, either my husband or me. if i'd ended up there, they would never have allowed that. >> and by the way, democrats didn't let barack obama have his way. >> no. >> in fact, democrats would be the ones grousing the most about just like, you know, you would hear it all the time. >> when my husband tried to do a line item veto, robert byrd rose up and started talking about the history of the roman senate. >> of course. >> he did. and, you know, and but didn't stop there, brought a lawsuit with other members of congress. and guess what? the courts, republican and

democratic judges said to president clinton, you can't do that, right? that's not that's not legal. that's not constitutional. under article one, this unaccountable abuse of power will come for them, too, and already has. they are being stripped of their authority. they are now literally just talking heads. you know, they can investigate but not legislate. there's really little that they are doing that has any real connection with their jobs, in my opinion. so really why why, you know, why they let that happen to them i don't know. >> so do you think. >> there's a realization of that now, a growing realization when you see ted cruz and rand paul say, what i've been worrying about, which is this isn't just about democrats. >> this is about. >> when a billionaire independent becomes president and decides to trample our rights. they'll be coming after conservatives, they'll be coming after republicans. >> i mean, if the world turns

upside down and some kind of, you know, independent who has a whole different view on politics and culture and how our country should operate, tries to use these same tactics. we'll number one, if they get away with it. we are in a constant whipsaw. we have institutions. we have the rule of law for a reason. we need to be governing ourselves with all of our emotions and our, you know, feelings about everything. we need to be governing ourselves in a deliberate way. and when the congress sets such a bad example, which is just lining up and saluting, we need voices on the conservative side of the ledger. you mentioned two of them to say, no, you can't get away with this. look at what they're doing in the caribbean, shooting boats, you know, boats with seven, ten people in them. these are not, you know, destroyers. these are not frigates. these are little motorboats. these are boats in the caribbean. they're shooting

them out of the water. no due process, no real definition of why other than they must be drug runners. they don't know that. and besides, given the power of the united states navy, they could pull them over. they could find out if there's something in there. they don't have to kill those people. the former president of the philippines, duarte, is in the international court of justice right now because he did that in the philippines. he went around and he goes, this guy looks like a drug dealer. kill him. he had gangs of government sanctioned killers killing people he determined were drug users or drug dealers. he's now in the international court of justice because he was committing murder. now, if members of congress don't say, wait a minute, you know, you can't just go do that. yeah, we have you know, you have no hearings. you have no briefings. you're not telling us anything. >> i know. >> we. >> have to let you go. but again. >> you're on the armed services committee. >> i certainly was. >> i was on the armed. >> services. >> committee. >> in the house. there is not a chair person. there's not.

>> a subcommittee chair. >> nobody would. >> ever have put. >> up with this. >> they would have called. >> over generals and admirals. >> they would have called over. pentagon officials and excoriated them. >> but look what happened after the iran strikes. i happen to have agreed with that. i thought that that was necessary, given the behavior of the iranian regime. okay. but afterwards, in trying to do damage assessments, when members of the administration, the trump administration, told the truth, they were shut down. so intelligence briefings were canceled. now, part of what you're supposed to do as a member of the armed services committee is say, okay, what did we get right? and what did we get wrong? and how do we do it better next time? if you're going to drop all that ordnance and those big, you know, penetrator bombs and try to get to the underground facilities, did it work or not? because maybe we need to learn something from that. oh no. unless you agree with the damage assessment that was put out, we don't want to hear from you. i mean, what world are we living in? and this is so much

bigger than any one incident. it's a pattern, right? and the congress needs to stand up, republicans and democrats alike. but so does the press. have to keep telling the truth, asking the hard questions. we can work our way out of this by imposing more accountability and using facts and evidence to rebut the craziness, whether it's on vaccines or on blowing, you know, small boats out of the water. so let's get back to doing what we're supposed to do, each of us and our our particular capacity. we'll be looking for those article one buttons. i'm going to be making them the 20th anniversary of the clinton global initiative kicks off this morning here in manhattan. former secretary of state hillary clinton. it's always great to have you on the show. thank you for coming. thank you, thank you, thank you. critical time. up next, we're going to show you more of jimmy kimmel's opening monologue from last night, his first show back after a brief suspension by disney. also ahead, senate minority leader chuck schumer joins us at the table. with

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thanks to you both for joining us. andrea, i will ask you, you've obviously lived a life in the public eye for a long time. this. what made you decide now is the moment to give this sort of access to tell your own story. >> there is never a right. >> time. >> and we don't. >> even get. >> to choose. some things just happen. >> they are in. >> the air. someone came. >> up with. >> this idea. >> and at. >> first i was hesitant. talking about ourselves. it's always. >> difficult. >> sometimes even. >> awkward or boring. >> opening up feels. >> like telling. >> a. >> story we already know, so there's nothing. >> new to learn. >> but then i thought. >> if today i had the chance to.

>> documentary. >> documentary about. >> the life of. >> seneca, seneca. >> cicero. >> julius caesar. >> or dante alighieri. >> and. nominato personaggi. >> i know. >> those. >> are big names in history. >> but it's just an example. >> i absolutely want. >> to see it. so i. >> said, all right. >> since life. >> has. >> already put me. >> in. >> the spotlight, let's make. >> this documentary. >> and, cosima, what are some of the themes you want to touch upon here in this film? it's a remarkable life story. yes, but what do you hope an audience who watches this, someone who watches this, takes with them. >> for. excuses. >> because for me.

>> it was a. >> great privilege to capture a. household like andrea's. >> and veronica's. >> and virginia's. >> where music. >> is very much part of everyday life. >> and whenever. >> you you walk into a room. andrea's warming his voice and talking about music. and so really to to. show how in a household music can be so alive. >> and how. >> someone. as someone who's achieved this world. >> fame is also so. >> at ease. >> in. >> in everyday with his old. >> friends, his childhood friends, the sense of. >> home and. >> how he carries that sense. >> of home and the culture that he grew up. with all around. >> the world, was was great and that was a great privilege. >> so, andrea, let's take a look back at one of your most classic performances, this one in italy from 1997. >> oh.

>> marty. >> oh. >> my. >> is he. my. >> bestowed upon. >> father. >> will be broken. >> andrea, what is. >> it like to know that your voice can stir such emotions in people? that your voice means so much to people? >> first of all, it's a huge. responsibility. >> because if. >> i believe in this, then i. >> absolutely. >> must. >> commit. >> myself to bring in this gift around. >> the world. >> even when i'm tired, even. >> when i rather. >> stay at home with.

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ice facility. >> let's bring you right now. minority leader chuck schumer, first of all, your reaction to this terrible news is just terrible. >> everybody right. left. center. i don't care what your politics are, has to speak out strongly against it. but look, i think and i don't know what's happened here, and i don't know about the guns, but we need better laws on guns. i mean, we got something done a few years ago, but it's just rampant, and we have to do more. and i'm the author of the. brady assault weapons ban. it's it's become almost every day one of these things happen. and we can't just sit there and do nothing. >> and it happens. it happens in. our schools everywhere. all too often when we when we saw the absolutely horrific news about charlie kirk that day. yes, there was. >> a. >> school shooting in, i think, colorado. right. if i'm not mistaken, three people. three people. yeah. and and so let's talk about political violence. we and talk about the tragic assassination of charlie kirk.

>> i'm curious. >> i know you talk to your members. i know you republicans and democrats alike. what are they saying? what are they thinking? how do we move. forward together? >> we have to. you know, we. >> had a. >> good moment a couple of years back where democrat, the only way you're going to get something done in almost anything in the senate, but certainly on this issue on guns, is. for both parties to. come together. and i think there are more and more of the more mainstream non maga people on the republican side hearing of these shootings. we're all human. >> and we. >> see i mean, i didn't agree with charlie kirk. i still think of that image. i cringe inside. it's horrific. we all have to do more. we all have to do more and we have to do something real. so much. we could do a lot. you know, the brady law, which we passed, i passed it 30 years ago, has kept. >> thousands. >> tens of. >> thousands of people alive. but there are. many more things we can do about gun. >> trafficking. about who. >> sells the guns, how they get

the guns. there are things we can do without impinging on the rights of law abiding citizens to own a gun. >> there's a way to. >> there's a way to do that, and we should do it. and i hope the violence like this horrible thing we just heard about and anywhere else. brings people together to do something. but we also have to speak out against it no matter who. so i don't care what your politics are, you've got to speak out. and particularly if it comes from, quote, your side, whatever it is, our left is the rightest whatever. yeah. i mean, certainly, senator, to your point, guns is a nation awash with guns. but of late we've also seen a rise in political violence, and it has occurred on both sides of the aisle. we've seen terrible tragedies, like the lawmakers in minnesota killed over shot and killed over the summer. and, of course, charlie kirk just a few weeks ago. what would be helpful in terms of rhetoric from the top, a note of unity. yeah. look, it has to come from the top. and like on so many other things, donald trump is deficient in this totally deficient. the day

after charlie kirk, instead of just bringing americans together to mourn and let's forget politics, ronald reagan would have done just that. he would have brought together and mourned donald trump's busy pointing fingers before he even had evidence. that doesn't help. >> let's talk about what's happening on the hill. yeah, it looks like we may not much moving toward a government shutdown. can that be averted? >> i hope it can. we democrats definitely want to avert a shutdown. we know how bad it is and what we're asking. something very simple, joe, for the president to sit down and talk with us. you know, he's not the king. he can't just dictate what happened. he said he doesn't need democrats. well, then he doesn't know how to count because there are 60 votes. >> in the. >> senate that you need. >> to pass this. >> and he's got 53. and frankly, when i was majority leader for four years, the last four, we didn't have a shutdown. >> why? because i sat down. >> and. >> talked with. >> republicans and we

compromised. no one got everything they wanted. it's donald trump is the first president we're ever going to shut down, as you saw, hakeem jeffries and i just made a simple, easy request. sit down and talk to us. we can probably come to some agreements. there are a lot of people on his side who are upset about what's happening on some of the areas of health care, particularly the aca, but others as well just. sit and talk with us. so he did say yes. he didn't tell us. but, you know, his. press person said yes. and then a day later yesterday he says no. and he has this rant about radical democrats. is it radical to want people not to have their premiums go up $400 a month, $5,000 a year? is it radical to tell a mother whose child has cancer that you're not getting treatment anymore, and you're going to watch your child die? no, it's not radical. and 68% of americans think that this big bad bill was wrong on health care. and it's all the democrats, two thirds or three quarters of the republicans.

but a third, i mean, of the independents, but a third of the republicans. so all he's got to do is sit down and talk. it's such a simple request. and i think the american people understand that. and leader schumer, you said as you sat down, you told me that you you found out, like the rest of us, that the meeting was canceled yesterday when he posted on on truth social. so we have about a week until the deadline. so what happens now? and obviously there are real, real world implications to any government shutdown. federal workers will will, you know, but there's also the political aspect of this and the risk of receiving blame. yeah. look, it's simple. ask the republicans first. they control the show. they have the presidency. they have the senate, they. >> have the house. >> so they're in charge. and god forbid, there's a shutdown, which we don't want. american people are going to know they're in charge and say, what the heck? or worse. is there. >> any chance of a meeting happening? >> i hope so, we are persisting. our request to meet with the president is still out there. >> there are two. >> republican leaders on the hill want that meeting to take

place, though. that's a good chuck. there's there's some reports. >> that right. >> now they don't. >> yeah i still look the bottom line is there are reports they don't. and we did ask them the reason we asked. we asked them for two months hakeem and i to sit down and talk with us. that's what. >> always happens. why won't they do that? >> well, we learned why donald trump said ignore the democrats. so i think this really comes from trump and they're afraid of him. we haven't seen them buck him. even if you hear chatter in the gym or in the members talk. to each other that what trump is doing is wrong and bad. they don't buck him, they don't buck him, and he thinks he's king and you can't be king. and look, the american people are learning about this. trump's the view of trump is declining because costs are going up, not just health care costs. your energy costs are going to go up because of what was in that b-b-b bill. if you take wind and solar off the grid, even if you believe in all of the above,

you're going to raise electricity prices. the tariffs, they're killing people. i just had one of my colleagues out in iowa, all the farmers could talk about was how the tariffs were killing them. so people are getting really upset with donald trump, and it's because of what he does. he rants yesterday had a rant at the un. he had a rant about why he wouldn't sit down with us. he doesn't deal with the issues. he's not being president. he's not up to the job. it's so excuse me. it's so easy to just sit down and talk to us, and we know we're not going to get everything, but he's not even doing that. and the american people are going to say, wtf? why won't he do that? there's no good reason. >> i don't know what that stands. >> for, but. so let me let me ask you. >> this. question regarding approval ratings. i asked secretary. >> clinton the same question. >> i'll ask you why is it that the democrats approval rating is so low? you talk about donald trump, but of. >> course. >> democrats approval rating as.

a party. even lower than his. why is it like, for instance, with hillary clinton? i think she won the counties bordering mexico and texas by 60 plus percentage points. yeah, in 2016. donald trump in 2024 won those outright. yeah. >> well i think look, people are upset in general. they don't like the democrats. they don't like the republicans. and they don't like trump even more than they don't like the democrats. but here's what's really interesting. >> but the polls don't show. >> that, though. that's my question. >> well. >> his numbers have gotten much, much worse today. there's a ipsos washington post poll that shows i think it's he's he's lower than he's been by considerable amount. and it's going to keep getting lower as all of these, especially the high costs of living he's helping cause. >> so what do democrats need to do. how did what went wrong. yeah. how did they. lose some. >> of their most loyal voters. >> right. and what do they need to do to turn it around? >> what we. >> need to do to turn it around is show working families and everybody that we're on their side. and you, we are doing

that, and we're going to continue to do that over the next several months. we have to keep hitting trump, but we have to show her on their side. and frankly, to win the elections, we have to recruit good candidates. i am optimistic about us actually taking back the senate much more now than before, because really fine candidates are stepping up to the plate. and one more point on all those polls, even though democrats numbers are low, when you ask people who do you prefer, a democratic senator or republican senator? we did it in the six battleground states, which were plus two plus three overall. so it's not a democratic or independent survey. 4739 they prefer democrats. and in the couple of the races where we have the two candidates, we win. so the people want to see want to see what democrats will do for them if we get in. but they also are really leery and dubious of trump and the republicans who follow him even more so. >> so what is the main message for democrats? there's so many different criticisms that they could be taking on right now,

from free speech to their name. >> it well. >> but what's the message democrats should focus on to bring. >> the positive message is very simple. when i was growing up, you asked the average american, what is your what is the next ten years going to be like? and the average person would say, if i work hard, i'm going to be doing better ten years from now than i'm doing today, and my kids will do still better than me. people don't say that now, particularly younger people. why? high costs for groceries and everything else. we have a lot of food monopolies here that we have to go after. second housing. you can't afford a house. when my wife and i bought our first home, it was a co-op. the down payment was like 4%. it's now 25 or 30%. we have to do much more on that. so we have to get costs down. we have to deal with housing. we have to get better health care for people. taking away the health care is politically the very much the wrong thing to do. >> so we. >> have to we have to be really

strong about a good future. we have to be really strong about how bad trump is for people's future affordability. that's correct. so, leader schumer, i want to follow up what mika said about about free speech. obviously, we've been talking a lot this morning about jimmy kimmel's return to the airwaves. last night. he did a beautiful thing. he was very he was measured. he was calm, but he was strong and he didn't duck the issue one bit. so when kimmel was taken off the air, there was a lot of storylines. well, it's a business decision. these sad these affiliates are trying to get, you know, this merger done, etc. but last night, right around the time kimmel took came back, the show aired. president trump went on truth social and made it plain that like that, he does not think he should be on the air. he claimed that the abc is a arm of the dnc, claims to be some sort of illegal campaign contribution. he says, i think we're going to test abc out on this. let's see how we do. that's his explicit threat. this is a test of democracy. that is what dictatorships do. that is what autocracies do.

and trump seems to have this penchant to anyone he doesn't agree with. he wants to shut up. that goes right. that's a dagger to the heart of america. one of the most beautiful things about this country since, you know, since the constitution. >> and the. >> declaration is freedom of speech. and we we are willing to disagree with each other, but we let each other talk. he's losing that. and what car is doing under trump's direction is despicable, i demand that nexstar and sinclair sinclair put kimmel back on the air, and if carr says he believes in free speech, he should demand they go back on the air. so take together, even though even though they don't agree with what kimmel says. so take together what we just heard that threat, combined with what president trump instructed his attorney general to do over the weekend, pam bondi, saying, disregard the evidence, go after letitia james, senator schiff and the like. so put those together. where are we right now? we are

in a we have to. this is the threat to democracy. we are seeing in going taking the justice department and making it into a political tool to go after your enemies and reward your friends. those pardons he gave a while back were disgraceful. we have freedom of speech, the core of america. we have to fight this in every way, legislatively in the courts. and there's going to be a big protest on the 18th. no king's day again. he wants to be king. the american people have to rise up in every way. and they are. you hear more and more about this from people you'd never expect. i talked to a group of conservative business leaders the other day, and they were saying to me, they're just amazed that he would do this and outrage and says, well, get up and help us do something about it. >> all right. senate minority leader chuck schumer, thank you very much. a happy new year to you. >> thank you. yes, we had mika. we had last night. my wife's brisket. it's fifth generation from romania. it's to die for. >> oh that's nice.

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artists including shakira. and they just announced cardi b is going to be there. do you know who cardi b is, joe? >> i do. >> dear, i. >> love cardi b. >> joining us now, co-founder and. ceo of global citizen, hugh evans and fran katsoudas. she's the executive vice president and chief people policy and purpose officer at cisco and also the co-chair of the global citizen board. so hear you both. >> what year is it? >> i know. >> how long. >> have you. been having. >> this. >> massive, massive event in central park was the first global citizen festival. >> we paused for one year due to covid. and so this marks the 13th year on the great lawn of central park. and you two have been with us since day one, so. well. >> we're old. >> well. >> we're proud. >> of that fact. >> and we'll. >> get to the concert in a second. but talk. about what's changed since. that first concert, what. progress you have made on extreme global poverty. well, the great news

is that. >> extreme poverty has more than halved within my lifetime. when i was born in 1983, 52% of the. world's population lived in extreme poverty, and now less than 10% of the world's population live. in extreme poverty. >> so it is a. >> story of progress. >> but we. >> can't rest on our laurels. >> we have to take urgent action. so this year, we're. >> fighting to make sure that kids have access to education around. >> the world. >> as part of our fifa global citizen education fund, we're also trying to save 30 million hectares of the amazon rainforest, and we want to provide over a million people with access to clean energy. >> through. >> our partnership with the european commission president ursula von der leyen and cyril ramaphosa of south africa. >> so for people. >> just tuning in that haven't been familiar. >> with what. >> global citizen has done in the past, you have such an extraordinary. a unique approach to this. there aren't. you shakira is not going to be. >> singing and you aren't. >> going to see. >> jerry lee. lewis or jerry lewis. >> telethon numbers. rolling up.

talk about. >> how you. >> make a difference on a global scale instead of just contributions. >> well, we've always. >> believed since. >> day one that. people's voice, particularly collectively, is far more powerful than an individual donation because we could run black tie gala dinners till the cows come home, but we would never raise enough to provide. >> the. >> you know. >> raise the roughly. >> $350 billion. >> a year. >> needed to eradicate extreme poverty. >> so we use. >> the power of our global. >> citizens. >> 12.5 million members call on world leaders in unison, and they respond and have ultimately committed over $50 billion to the global citizen movement on our stages over the last 13 years. >> so, fran, as a member of the board, like the world, is changing so fast and so much right now here at home around the world. i know cisco responds whenever there's a crisis and there's a need for global citizen and its massive reach. after 13 years of building, what kind of pivoting or need do you see during these

critical times? >> i think the first thing that i would say is any motion. >> that. >> brings together government, companies, youth in service of addressing some of the world's biggest challenges, i think, is goodness. i think the more that individuals engage and. >> learn. >> i think you build a lot of hope and inspiration. >> which i think. >> you need right now. we're so proud to. partner with global citizen. we're going on eight years, and i think any good partnership. continues to evolve. and for. >> us. >> understanding the power that technology can have to really help people have. access to contribute, to get. >> education. >> access to health care is really important. this year, for the. >> first time. >> we're going to bring a lot more technology to central park. we're excited about offering wi-fi to all of the participants, but also demonstrating. >> how at. >> an event like this, you can connect and protect from a security perspective. and i, i share this example because i

think it's so important. >> for companies. >> to take their strengths and intersect with really. amazing organizations that are doing good. >> so at this moment, whether it be philanthropic or corporate combination of the two, do you feel like there's that much more of a need for those areas to step up in a moment where the government, not the united states government, government around the world, are pulling back from some of this aid? >> yeah. >> i think the role of public private partnerships is more critical than ever. i think one example of that is what we're doing with the european commission. you know, we're trying to encourage the global. gateway financing to encourage the private sector to invest more in renewable energy in africa. because if you can use government financing as first loss capital or as currency hedging, it makes it far more likely for a company to invest in a risky economic environment and ultimately. provide access to clean energy for millions of people. so these sorts of partnerships are more critical now than ever before. >> well, the global citizen festival takes place this

saturday in new york city. co-founder and ceo hugh evans and board co-chair fran katsoudas. thank you both very much for coming on. have a great event. always weather looks good. >> yeah, good weather this. >> weekend. >> good weather and we can't wait to see you there. >> yeah okay. >> very good. i know you're going to find cardi. >> b okay. >> sitting in the front row. >> her fingernails. >> all right. coming up on morning joe, president trump struck a defiant tone while addressing world leaders yesterday at the united nations, while also making a major shift in his position regarding russia's war with ukraine. also, you're looking at live pictures of ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky, who is addressing the assembly right now. we'll discuss the implications of all of this. plus we'll have the latest on the breaking news, the developing story out of texas, where three detainees have been shot at an ice facility in shot at an ice facility in ♪ "you make me feel (mighty real)" ♪ by lyra pramuk and moses sumney ♪ mighty real ♪

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>> welcome back. >> we're tracking a developing story in texas, where three detainees have been shot at an ice field office in dallas. and i spokesperson has now confirmed that two of the three people shot are dead. the third in the hospital. no ice officers were hurt. the shooter died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. the spokesperson cautioned that information still very fluid. joining us now, msnbc national correspondent rosa flores. rosa, anything else that we've learned here as to this shooting developing situation out of dallas? >> you know, jonathan, we're. >> making phone calls. i actually just heard from an fbi spokesperson. >> who said. >> that fbi agents are headed to the scene. they would not elaborate any more. as you mentioned, the situation is very fluid, but we are making phone calls to learn more. we also learned that the scene is in the control of dallas pd. so we're making those. >> phone. >> calls as well to try to

learn more information. but we have learned from ice. according to an ice spokesperson, as you. >> mentioned. three individuals. >> were shot. two of them have died. the third individual is. >> in the hospital, and ice. >> pointed out that ice agents were not hurt. now they are investigating the motive of this shooting. but of course, it's. >> very. >> early in the investigation and they say that they don't. >> have a. >> motive at. >> this point. but they did mention the fact that there has been a lot of violence directed towards ice. and as you know, there's been a. >> lot of. emotions around. the trump. >> administration's mass deportation efforts around the country. we've all seen very dramatic videos outside ice detention centers. and again, ice is saying that that they. >> are investigating. >> the motive, that they don't have a motive at this time. but, jonathan, we are making phone calls trying to learn more. as i mentioned moments ago, fbi

agents are headed to the scene as well. >> you know, it seems unfortunately, texas does seem to be the center. of so much of this violence. on july. >> the. >> 4th, there was an attack at a texas immigration detention center. >> where a. >> police officer was injured in mcallen, texas, on july 7th, a man with an assault rifle, a. >> semiautomatic assault. >> rifle fired dozens of rounds at federal agents as they were leaving on july the 7th. and that man was arrested. >> now. >> though, jonathan, the. target being migrants, it seems from again, as you said, this is a developing news story. all information is fluid. >> right now. >> though, officers have said that that it is. >> detainees. >> detainees that have been shot. so there has been violence directed towards ice officers in the past. initial

reports suggest that is not the case this time. yeah. >> we so much we don't know yet, but it would seem detainees, presumably migrants perhaps were the target here. the shooter. we don't know anything about that shooter's identity or motive yet but died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. msnbc rosa flores, thank you so much. we, of course, are going to stay on this. and in fact, we're expecting a news conference from authorities in the area in the near future. we, of course, will bring that to you when it does happen. we'll be monitoring this story. for now, though, we will turn back to president trump, who delivered a fiery speech at the un general assembly yesterday while also potentially signaling a major shift in his position regarding russia's war with ukraine. nbc news senior white house correspondent garrett haake has more. >> president trump at the united nations shifting his stance on the war in ukraine following a. >> sit. >> down with the country's leader, volodymyr zelensky, writing on social media that he believes, quote, ukraine, with

the support of the eu, is in a position to fight and win all of ukraine back in its original form. >> let them get their land back. >> yeah. >> so we'll see how it all works out. >> just last month, president trump suggesting ukraine must make territorial concessions to russia. >> as part of a possible. >> peace deal, a move ukraine has opposed. >> there'll be some swapping of territories to the betterment of both. >> zelensky praising the president's reversal. >> are you. >> surprised to hear that? >> a little. >> bit, a little bit. he showed that he wants to support ukraine to the very end. >> with nato. >> members, including poland and estonia, reporting russian drones and aircraft breaching their airspace in recent days. the president said those countries should respond with force. >> do you think. >> that. nato countries should shoot down. >> russian aircraft. >> if they. >> enter their airspace? >> yes, i do. >> president. >> just over. >> a month after rolling out the red carpet for russian

president vladimir putin in alaska, mr. trump now stepping up his criticism of russia. >> it could be that russia is a paper tiger. >> and reflecting on the conflict. >> i thought that was going to be the easiest one because of my relationship with putin. but unfortunately, that relationship didn't mean anything. >> earlier. >> the president's un address highlighted deep divisions over america's role on the world stage. mr. trump at times combative, accusing world leaders of failing to crack down on immigration. >> i'm really good at this stuff. your countries are going to hell. >> the president also making light. >> of. >> malfunctions before and during his speech with an escalator, stopping the moment he and the first lady stepped onto it and the teleprompter failing just as he started to speak. >> these are the two things i got from the united nations a bad escalator and a bad teleprompter. >> well. >> what was the. >> reason for that? >> we should note there was a bit of a a bit of a to do about this. in fact. >> the. >> white house. >> the white house alleged. >> the. >> prompter, the press secretary, alleged even that perhaps it was some sort of

conspiracy by the un to make the president look bad, right. turn off the escalator when he went up. what? however, there was officials reported there that it was the escalator was stopped. it was there was a tripwire because one of the white house videographers tried to go down at the wrong way. so therefore there was an automatic shut off system. so the white house personnel who inadvertently did that and the teleprompter was being run again by the white house, no one at the un. so there was no conspiracy here. but that didn't stop people from talking about it all day long. joining us now, lead world news presenter for sky news, yalda hakim and white house correspondent for new york times, luke broadwater. our thanks to you both for for being here. luke, we'll start with you in the president's speech. i know you wrote about it for the times i did for the atlantic and noteworthy just how far the president has come. it was seven years ago where he was literally laughed at by those in the un. no one dared laugh at him yesterday. his power is perhaps never greater on the world stage, even though there's some very thorny issues gaza and ukraine he has not

been able to solve like he promised. yeah, i would say that the reaction to trump's speech within the room was sort of polite applause, even as the president sort of dressed down the entire united nations and country after country and insulted many of them, told them they didn't know how to run their countries and their countries were going to hell. they almost ignored that. that speech happened and then went about the day trying to have one on one meetings with trump and getting their policy agenda across that way. and what you did see was a public trump giving a speech, probably to the maga base where he was fiery, he was combative, he was condemning the world. and then one on one, he was much nicer. he and those of us. we're talking. >> about this. >> earlier, he actually when he's with macron, when he's with with he's starmer. he the reports from them. he's very charming. yeah. and he to them he even. >> said to the un secretary general that he stands 100% behind the un and wants it to

be successful, which is almost the exact opposite of what he had just said during the speech. >> and even communicated. >> with. >> the. >> president of brazil, said it was only 39 seconds, but wow, we got along great. yeah, yeah. >> what a 39 seconds. >> what a 39 seconds it. >> was so. >> so y'all, i. >> we've been talking from the beginning of the second term about separating separating the ground noise from the signal. >> yeah. >> and i don't know just from this just me personally i saw the speech. that's a lot of ground noise again for his base. >> weirdly enough. >> i think more news was made in his truth social post than in the entire day at the united nations because of this really abrupt about face. >> that jonathan's reported. >> sometimes it's kind of been moving this direction, but a real abrupt face yesterday. on russia. talk about that and how significant that might be. >> you know, i. >> think.

>> ultimately the biggest winner of yesterday was ukraine. and you realize, actually, at the. >> end of the day. >> that trump. defines trump, nobody. >> else defines trump. >> so putting. >> the. >> meandering 57. >> minutes to one. >> side. >> you know. >> he did. >> have a point on the un. >> and its effectiveness. >> it is a. >> platform where global leaders come to once a year and speed date. and oh, by the. >> way. >> while. you're here, have some pizza. >> right. >> but then. >> i wondered, you know, did he forget to talk about ukraine or did he want to keep. >> the limelight. >> on himself a few hours later, when he. >> made this. >> massive policy shift? >> i was with. >> president zelensky last week in ukraine, and i interviewed. him and he. was desperate. >> he was saying, listen. >> we need the. >> united states to help us. >> donald trump is the only person who can do this for us. >> and then. >> suddenly yesterday afternoon. >> we saw. >> this about face. now the big question is for how long? >> you have. >> to be cautious because he is unpredictable. and it is the last person he spoke to

yesterday was zelensky. >> you see zelensky react with surprise, even visible surprise as trump was saying that. but that's your point. so as you've talked to, whether it's ukrainians or european leaders in the last 24 hours, what do they see? what do they think they actually need to see next in terms of concrete steps, instead of trump just perhaps reversing himself yet again? >> yeah. so zelenskyy said to me. just in the last few days when i was in ukraine, we need military support. i know that we keep coming with the shopping list to the west, but our european allies. donald trump. >> needs to. >> put extreme pressure on vladimir putin. he is someone who responds to force, so speak to him with force. that's the only way that he's going to respond. >> so flood us with weapons. >> impose the sanctions. now, again, donald trump has a point. >> why are. >> europeans buying russian oil and gas? that is a point that needed to be made. and he made that point yesterday. >> in that kind of. >> way that he does. but he did put the europeans on notice. so the europeans need to come to

the table, and donald trump needs to come to the table by imposing tough sanctions on vladimir putin. >> luke, that does. >> seem to be the message from president trump, which is, okay, europe, you want us to do this? fine. you're going to have to invest more. and in your defense, they're now up to 5%. and now he's saying, don't just ask us to do these, these massive sanctions on russia, stop funding their war by buying their oil. >> yeah. and i think a lesser talked about development was the meeting with ursula von der leyen where she said there they are, moving completely away from russian natural lng and from russian oil, and they're going to put sanctions and tariffs until every member country goes along with that. so trump was effective. he got his way in that regard in terms of getting europe to one back off of russian oil and gas, and two now have this agreement where they're going to be buying their weapons from the

united states to defend ukraine. but i do think there's one other way to look at that. and you could look at this as trump sort of washing his hands of everything. right? we're not putting american military involved. we're not using we're not paying for anything anymore. we'll allow europe to buy things. we'll allow europe to to do the sanctions and the tariffs. but the united states will take a step back from any involvement on either side of this war. >> yeah. >> white house correspondent for the new york times, luke broadwater, and lead world news presenter for sky news, yalda hakim. thank you both very much. >> thank you all. >> appreciate it. thanks. all right. coming up on morning joe, we're going to turn back to jimmy kimmel's emotional reunion to late night television. last night, nearly a week after his show was pulled off the air. we're back in just one minute. >> in business, hiring the right people isn't just important, it's everything. >> and ziprecruiter. >> makes it easy. what i love about. >> ziprecruiter is that you

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is in hollywood with the details. >> overnight, jimmy kimmel making his return to late night. >> i'm not sure who had a. >> weirder 48 hours. >> me or the ceo of tylenol. >> the comedian choking. up as he addressed comments he made about charlie kirk's alleged. >> shooter that outraged many conservatives and led. >> abc to. >> suspend his show. >> for. >> nearly a week following pressure from the head of the fcc. >> i do want to make something clear because it's important to me as a human, and that is you understand that it was never my intention to make light of the murder of a young man. >> in his almost. >> 30 minute long remarks. >> kimmel also delivering. >> a. >> searing defense of free speech. >> the government threat to silence a comedian the president doesn't like is anti-american. that's anti american. >> just before the show, president. trump slamming kimmel's return. posting i. >> can't believe abc fake. >> news gave. >> jimmy. >> kimmel his job back. the white house was told.

>> by abc that his show. was canceled. >> he then suggested. >> potentially taking. >> legal action. against the network. >> again. >> kimmel firing back. >> our leader. >> celebrates americans losing their livelihoods because he can't take a joke. >> despite abc bringing back the show, jimmy. >> kimmel live! did not air on nearly 60 abc affiliates nationwide. the owners of those stations, sinclair. and nexstar. which both have pending business before the. fcc saying they won't run kimmel because of his comments. >> we'll see how that works out, i guess. sinclair may they they may be in talks with abc on this. i will say there are so many good things in here. i'm also talking about erika kirk and the incredible grace, the amazing grace she showed. also, though i love how you said, you know, i'm not big. the show's not big. that's not the big issue. the issue. what is big, though, is having. >> shows like. >> this. >> on tv. so even if americans may disagree with me, they

agree with my right. to make fun of politicians. >> yeah. >> that is fundamentally american. kimmel was note perfect last night. finally, we want to bring you another update on that shooting in dallas, where three detainees have been shot at an ice field office there in texas. ice spokesperson confirms that two of the three people shot are dead. the third is in the hospital. no officers were hurt. sources have confirmed to local nbc affiliate that the shooter was on top of a building across the street from the field office and was armed with a bolt action rifle. the shooter died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. again, the three injured. two killed were detainees. police are expected to hold a press conference at the top of the. >> hour. >> and we'll be. >> watching for that. we'll bring it to you live, of course, here on msnbc. and we'll have the latest on all of this tomorrow morning on morning joe. that does it for us this that does it for us this morning over half a million people with afib

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reporting from new york. let's begin with this breaking news out of dallas, where a shooter killed two immigrant detainees and wounded another at an ice field office. according to an ice spokesperson. now, ice officials say none of their officers were hurt and that the attacker died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. federal and local law enforcement are securing the scene. we're expecting some kind of press briefing from officials later this morning, but let's go over what we know right now. and joining us to do so is nbc news senior homeland security correspondent julia ainsley. msnbc national correspondent rosa flores, along with former fbi senior official chris o'leary and former d.c. chief of homeland security and intelligence danielle harbin. rosa, i know you've been working the phones. what more are you learning about this attack? >> well, i talked. to someone from the fbi spokesperson. >> who said that. >> fbi agents are. >> headed to. >> the scene